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What was your earliest introduction to hip hop? You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, what made you fall in love with the genre and the culture? I feel like seeing OutKast was one of the things that really, like, solidified it for me when they came

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What was your earliest introduction to hip hop? You know what I'm saying? I mean, like, what made you fall in love with the genre and the culture? I feel like seeing outcast was one of the things that really, like, solidified it for me when they came

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out with the Southern Player, that whole movement players ball, you know, they was from Atlanta they were talking about and their music, you know, it was just like, man, they, they really made me fall in love with it. But my dad, you know, listen to hip

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out with the Southern Player, that whole movement players ball, you know, they was from Atlanta they were talking about and their music, you know, it was just like, man, they, they really made me fall in love with it. But my dad, you know, listen to hip

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hop growing up, my mom used to listen to Tupac, you know, when I was, when I was a kid, you know, so I always been around hip hop and, and, you know, just always loved music in general. OK. OK. So what was your first so-called job

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hop growing up, my mom used to listen to Tupac, you know, when I was, when I was a kid, you know, so I always been around hip hop and, and, you know, just always loved music in general. OK. OK. So what was your first so-called job

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in hip hop? And were you MC? And were you DJ? Were you a B boy? Were you a graffiti artist? I mean, like, what was your first job in hip hop? My first job in hip hop was rapping. That was my first job. My homeboy, King

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in hip hop? And were you MC? And were you DJ? Were you a B boy? Were you a graffiti artist? I mean, like, what was your first job in hip hop? My first job in hip hop was rapping. That was my first job. My homeboy, King

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Jay, I used to go to his career. About the basketball practice. Our moms was cool. We went to the same school, we played ball together and uh his mom used to make this shrimp man that was so good and, and, and he was rapping and so

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Jay, I used to go to his career. About the basketball practice. Our moms was cool. We went to the same school, we played ball together and uh his mom used to make this shrimp man that was so good and, and, and he was rapping and so

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he introduced me to rapping and we was just, you know, just messing around. Then I thought it was cool that he was doing it. And we booked a studio session with this dude by um by this dude named a Ball, not, not the A ball we

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he introduced me to rapping and we was just, you know, just messing around. Then I thought it was cool that he was doing it. And we booked a studio session with this dude by um by this dude named a Ball, not, not the A ball we

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know, I mean, it was another cat called Name A Ball. He had a studio and we went to this dude studio and we recorded some records, took him to school and um people like the songs man and I just kept going. OK. OK. Yeah. OK. So

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know, I mean, it was another cat called Name A Ball. He had a studio and we went to this dude studio and we recorded some records, took him to school and um people like the songs man and I just kept going. OK. OK. Yeah. OK. So

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um were uh were there ever any early talent shows enter or did you just start recording in the house? I mean, like, or how did you start honing your craft early on? So the same guy, King Jay ended up going to the Navy but he taught

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um were uh were there ever any early talent shows enter or did you just start recording in the house? I mean, like, or how did you start honing your craft early on? So the same guy, King Jay ended up going to the Navy but he taught

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me, he taught me how to engineer, he taught me how to produce um you know, we started writing together and uh when he left, he left all his equipment with. So I, I picked it up and I started making my own beats recording myself. I started

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me, he taught me how to engineer, he taught me how to produce um you know, we started writing together and uh when he left, he left all his equipment with. So I, I picked it up and I started making my own beats recording myself. I started

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putting on some of my homeboys in the neighborhood. I started writing for some of them teaching them. How to rap it, you know what I mean? And start putting out C DS, um, in the streets at school. I was selling them for a dollar. You know

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putting on some of my homeboys in the neighborhood. I started writing for some of them teaching them. How to rap it, you know what I mean? And start putting out C DS, um, in the streets at school. I was selling them for a dollar. You know

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what I'm saying? But I had built the buzz before they hit in there. You know what I'm saying? I had built a boy. So y'all went telling shows and everything. Ok. Ok. So I'm guessing you started, you started wrapping around what year is all this taking

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what I'm saying? But I had built the buzz before they hit in there. You know what I'm saying? I had built a boy. So y'all went telling shows and everything. Ok. Ok. So I'm guessing you started, you started wrapping around what year is all this taking

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place? Right. Right. So all this is taking place around what year, man? Oh, that's a real good question. I, I don't wanna know the exact year but I, but I know that I, I had to be in like maybe seven crazy. OK, so 28 this is

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place? Right. Right. So all this is taking place around what year, man? Oh, that's a real good question. I, I don't wanna know the exact year but I, but I know that I, I had to be in like maybe seven crazy. OK, so 28 this is

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20 what? 20 something is this? 19 something or 20 something? It gotta be like 20 something. OK. 20 early 20 though, you know? Ok. OK. Something like that. Yeah, but uh Keen J introduced me to it and um, and I, like I said, I put out

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20 what? 20 something is this? 19 something or 20 something? It gotta be like 20 something. OK. 20 early 20 though, you know? Ok. OK. Something like that. Yeah, but uh Keen J introduced me to it and um, and I, like I said, I put out

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C DS, man. I ended up going to college um in Savannah State for like a year though. Ok. And I, I was playing basketball and um I started passing, I was doing the same thing and I met Outcast Slim. Put you in the time frame. Now,

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C DS, man. I ended up going to college um in Savannah State for like a year though. Ok. And I, I was playing basketball and um I started passing, I was doing the same thing and I met Outcast Slim. Put you in the time frame. Now,

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now I, I opened up for Outcast and Slim like when he had the song, um, all these, you know, OK, I opened up for them. So I was popping in, in Savannah at that time and I lost my scholarship playing, but I got caught up in

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now I, I opened up for Outcast and Slim like when he had the song, um, all these, you know, OK, I opened up for them. So I was popping in, in Savannah at that time and I lost my scholarship playing, but I got caught up in

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the streets, you know, lost my, lost my little opportunity, opportunity playing basketball. And so I moved back to the A and that's when I, um, I got a record deal with A, to Z records. I was working with Ada Gary. Ok. She was part of TV.

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the streets, you know, lost my, lost my little opportunity, opportunity playing basketball. And so I moved back to the A and that's when I, um, I got a record deal with A, to Z records. I was working with Ada Gary. Ok. She was part of TV.

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T I think it was at the time. OK. You know, and um and I started rapping with this group called Monopoly Fleet. OK. Yeah. OK. So from your first recordings, how long did it take you to get from your first recordings to on the road to

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T I think it was at the time. OK. You know, and um and I started rapping with this group called Monopoly Fleet. OK. Yeah. OK. So from your first recordings, how long did it take you to get from your first recordings to on the road to

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Spaghetti Junction? Um Right. Maybe like that was a long time, you know, because I was a kid, you know, when I was first just messing around. So that might have been like, I don't know, maybe like at least like 778 years, maybe, maybe more than that

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Spaghetti Junction? Um Right. Maybe like that was a long time, you know, because I was a kid, you know, when I was first just messing around. So that might have been like, I don't know, maybe like at least like 778 years, maybe, maybe more than that

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10 years. Like, you know what I'm saying? OK. OK. That's a good deal. So, uh so is it safe to say that it, it, then it took your whole life up until that point to get to on the road to Spaghetti jun? Right. And OK. So

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10 years. Like, you know what I'm saying? OK. OK. That's a good deal. So, uh so is it safe to say that it, it, then it took your whole life up until that point to get to on the road to Spaghetti jun? Right. And OK. So

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what kind of transformation did you go to from on the road to Spaghetti Junction to actually making Spaghetti Junction? I mean, like, what did you learn about honing your craft? Is it something you changed up in that time, like flow production, anything like that? Well, I,

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what kind of transformation did you go to from on the road to Spaghetti Junction to actually making Spaghetti Junction? I mean, like, what did you learn about honing your craft? Is it something you changed up in that time, like flow production, anything like that? Well, I,

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I started, I made the decision that I was just gonna just do rap and not try to engineer and produce and all that because um I always, I always been a big believer that you should go with what you best at and kind of like push

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I started, I made the decision that I was just gonna just do rap and not try to engineer and produce and all that because um I always, I always been a big believer that you should go with what you best at and kind of like push

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it, you know what I'm saying? So, like I kind of start letting other people do the production. I started let other people do the engineering and I started focusing more on the writing and then my writing to me became better. You know, the song became better,

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it, you know what I'm saying? So, like I kind of start letting other people do the production. I started let other people do the engineering and I started focusing more on the writing and then my writing to me became better. You know, the song became better,

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everything became better, the production, the engineering, everything became better because, you know, it was like, I was getting the best of the best in each lane versus me trying to do everything. OK. How does a new artist get Killer Mike on their first joint, man? You

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everything became better, the production, the engineering, everything became better because, you know, it was like, I was getting the best of the best in each lane versus me trying to do everything. OK. How does a new artist get Killer Mike on their first joint, man? You

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know what? Um that's a good question, man. You know, I'm trying to think how I met Killer Mike. I can't remember exactly how we met. I, I know that uh I was just buzzing in the streets just coming up. I always like people knew me even

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know what? Um that's a good question, man. You know, I'm trying to think how I met Killer Mike. I can't remember exactly how we met. I, I know that uh I was just buzzing in the streets just coming up. I always like people knew me even

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in school, you know, just coming up. So like I remember me, I think, I think the first time I met Killer Mike was at future event for a dirty spray. Uh It was at Magic City and I mean, I wanna say I wanna say um Big

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in school, you know, just coming up. So like I remember me, I think, I think the first time I met Killer Mike was at future event for a dirty spray. Uh It was at Magic City and I mean, I wanna say I wanna say um Big

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Boy also had an event two and this lady named um that Retail Chick, you know. Ok, but she was taking me around to these different events, man, meeting people shooting um photos and stuff. And um that's how I started meeting a lot of people in the

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Boy also had an event two and this lady named um that Retail Chick, you know. Ok, but she was taking me around to these different events, man, meeting people shooting um photos and stuff. And um that's how I started meeting a lot of people in the

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city too, but I was doing my thing rapping. So people always knew, you know. Well, I don't, I can't even remember how me and Killer Mike linked up, you know, on that record, you know, I know um Burn one, DJ. Burn one is somebody that I

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city too, but I was doing my thing rapping. So people always knew, you know. Well, I don't, I can't even remember how me and Killer Mike linked up, you know, on that record, you know, I know um Burn one, DJ. Burn one is somebody that I

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was working with. And um I had that song, I restart the, my, I restart the trouble, you know, who was also. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um man, we put it together. That's crazy. You ask me that I can't even remember how Me and Killer might have

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was working with. And um I had that song, I restart the, my, I restart the trouble, you know, who was also. Yeah. Yeah. And so, um man, we put it together. That's crazy. You ask me that I can't even remember how Me and Killer might have

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linked up on that song. I gotta ask him. OK, so now, I mean, you know, I'm considerably older than you. I mean, like, I'm a seventies baby, but I can remember like the first live hip hop album that I heard and I fell in love with,

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linked up on that song. I gotta ask him. OK, so now, I mean, you know, I'm considerably older than you. I mean, like, I'm a seventies baby, but I can remember like the first live hip hop album that I heard and I fell in love with,

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with BDP Worldwide Live, right? And it had been a while, you know, since some more live recordings had come out, but you dropped a couple of live joints, right? I mean, like, what made you as an artist coming up in the generation? You did wanna drop

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with BDP Worldwide Live, right? And it had been a while, you know, since some more live recordings had come out, but you dropped a couple of live joints, right? I mean, like, what made you as an artist coming up in the generation? You did wanna drop

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live projects? Um I always used to like MTV Unplug. That was really like my whole thing because I like, I like that they were connecting with the people in the crowd. You know, I'm big on that when I, when I do my shows and I think

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live projects? Um I always used to like MTV Unplug. That was really like my whole thing because I like, I like that they were connecting with the people in the crowd. You know, I'm big on that when I, when I do my shows and I think

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that, like, they had a chance to do more than just do the songs. Like when you do a, a show, you just do your song, um you could talk a little bit but people ain't trying to hear it, you know what I'm saying? But like in

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that, like, they had a chance to do more than just do the songs. Like when you do a, a show, you just do your song, um you could talk a little bit but people ain't trying to hear it, you know what I'm saying? But like in

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the live joint, I like it because it's all more like you could really talk to people. You know what I'm saying? Like about the record, about what's on your mind about what you may even just be feeling about the room in general. You know what I'm

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the live joint, I like it because it's all more like you could really talk to people. You know what I'm saying? Like about the record, about what's on your mind about what you may even just be feeling about the room in general. You know what I'm

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saying? Like it's um it's all special and just dope about being able to do that with the live, man. It's like church almost, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Uh I mean, it's always lovely when people get appreciated from afar. You know what I'm saying? Right?

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saying? Like it's um it's all special and just dope about being able to do that with the live, man. It's like church almost, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Uh I mean, it's always lovely when people get appreciated from afar. You know what I'm saying? Right?

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And I'm gonna jump around a little bit on this. But how did it? I mean, like, what kind of feeling did you have when um David Banner left you that message that you used for your intro on the Trap and Gold Project, man. I feel um

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And I'm gonna jump around a little bit on this. But how did it? I mean, like, what kind of feeling did you have when um David Banner left you that message that you used for your intro on the Trap and Gold Project, man. I feel um

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I feel inspired by it. You know, David Banner helped me out, man when like some of my lowest points, you know, when I didn't even want to keep going, sometime I call David and be like, hey man, you know, so it was good to just get

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I feel inspired by it. You know, David Banner helped me out, man when like some of my lowest points, you know, when I didn't even want to keep going, sometime I call David and be like, hey man, you know, so it was good to just get

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that message from him in general, you know, and um we always been Rocky. Um But yeah, that, that, that's something I can always just remember and, and go back to, you know what I'm saying? And, and, and be motivated again and again and again, OK. What

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that message from him in general, you know, and um we always been Rocky. Um But yeah, that, that, that's something I can always just remember and, and go back to, you know what I'm saying? And, and, and be motivated again and again and again, OK. What

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did you learn? And how did you grow as an artist uh through those adversarial times that you spoke about? I mean, like, what did you learn about yourself doing those times? And you bounce back? I learned a lot of things, you know, I learned about being

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did you learn? And how did you grow as an artist uh through those adversarial times that you spoke about? I mean, like, what did you learn about yourself doing those times? And you bounce back? I learned a lot of things, you know, I learned about being

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resilient as a person. Um I learned that I learned that, you know, you gotta, you gotta trust God. I learned that, you know, you gotta, you gotta be into your business, you gotta know what's going on, you gotta research, you gotta read so many things, man,

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resilient as a person. Um I learned that I learned that, you know, you gotta, you gotta trust God. I learned that, you know, you gotta, you gotta be into your business, you gotta know what's going on, you gotta research, you gotta read so many things, man,

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I learned on a daily basis just about, you know, wins and failures, you know what I'm saying? Or not necessarily fails, but you know, you know, losses are high, you gonna look at things, opposition, whatever. Um But I'm just like a student of the game in

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I learned on a daily basis just about, you know, wins and failures, you know what I'm saying? Or not necessarily fails, but you know, you know, losses are high, you gonna look at things, opposition, whatever. Um But I'm just like a student of the game in

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general. Like I like to learn, I like to read, I like to get better, you know, I just wanna better myself every day. OK. Uh You know, and just to pass some game along, what was, what was or were uh the moment or moments when you

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general. Like I like to learn, I like to read, I like to get better, you know, I just wanna better myself every day. OK. Uh You know, and just to pass some game along, what was, what was or were uh the moment or moments when you

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said to yourself, man, I need to get more up on my business of music. I mean, it was it anything in particular like a bad deal or anything like that that made you really wanna hone in and get focused on the business aspect of hip hop?

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said to yourself, man, I need to get more up on my business of music. I mean, it was it anything in particular like a bad deal or anything like that that made you really wanna hone in and get focused on the business aspect of hip hop?

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Well, like I'm gonna say two parts to that, right? So early on when, like the record that I did with Killer Mike, um you know, that was, that was still a project I did with in the car company, you know what I'm saying? And I had

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Well, like I'm gonna say two parts to that, right? So early on when, like the record that I did with Killer Mike, um you know, that was, that was still a project I did with in the car company, you know what I'm saying? And I had

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like a bunch of albums that I passed out and gave the people, you know, um like the real record albums, you know, but I always been doing things like that since, you know, I've been coming up, you know, I was on 106 and you know what

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like a bunch of albums that I passed out and gave the people, you know, um like the real record albums, you know, but I always been doing things like that since, you know, I've been coming up, you know, I was on 106 and you know what

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I'm saying? Like I've been grinding, just making connections, whatever. Um So that aspect of the game, you know, collaborating, you know, marketing, branding, I understood that early on. But um and, and I've been able to like make money, you know, from doing those things. But like

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I'm saying? Like I've been grinding, just making connections, whatever. Um So that aspect of the game, you know, collaborating, you know, marketing, branding, I understood that early on. But um and, and I've been able to like make money, you know, from doing those things. But like

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the music business in terms of being independent is, you know, do me doing the record called Ratchet the Rec, the record did real well um blew up, you know what I'm saying? Got, got some millions on youtube got a lot of spins on the radio was,

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the music business in terms of being independent is, you know, do me doing the record called Ratchet the Rec, the record did real well um blew up, you know what I'm saying? Got, got some millions on youtube got a lot of spins on the radio was,

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was being uh shown love worldwide and I ended up doing a deal with a guy that helped me out at the time, but not the full help that I needed kind of like pulled the plug early without no, you know what I mean? Not even risk

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was being uh shown love worldwide and I ended up doing a deal with a guy that helped me out at the time, but not the full help that I needed kind of like pulled the plug early without no, you know what I mean? Not even risk

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for the like, uh a conversation, you know what I mean? Which led me to, to starting grills by Scottie and, you know, investing in myself and being like, man, I'm not gonna never be in a situation like this again. So from that aspect, I've been having

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for the like, uh a conversation, you know what I mean? Which led me to, to starting grills by Scottie and, you know, investing in myself and being like, man, I'm not gonna never be in a situation like this again. So from that aspect, I've been having

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to learn everything about the music business, you know what I'm saying? From what I'm spending money on how this money is being, you know, is, is it, is it profitable, is it bringing back a return? You know, uh what makes more sense to spend it on

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to learn everything about the music business, you know what I'm saying? From what I'm spending money on how this money is being, you know, is, is it, is it profitable, is it bringing back a return? You know, uh what makes more sense to spend it on

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just all types of different things? Because when you're independent, it's just you're running your own business for real, you know. So, OK, uh give me one of your most memorable sessions with the artist that you did a feature with or, you know, or a collaborator and

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just all types of different things? Because when you're independent, it's just you're running your own business for real, you know. So, OK, uh give me one of your most memorable sessions with the artist that you did a feature with or, you know, or a collaborator and

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just give me one of your most memorable sessions or two or whatever. OK. Um One of my most memorable sessions I'll probably say uh what is with Star Lito? Um because I was on tour with Staley though and just like what, what we was able to

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just give me one of your most memorable sessions or two or whatever. OK. Um One of my most memorable sessions I'll probably say uh what is with Star Lito? Um because I was on tour with Staley though and just like what, what we was able to

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like when we was in the studio working together, man, it just always um it just was just like, he's like a brother to me, you know what I mean? And so when we get in the lab, it's like a uh I don't know how to describe

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like when we was in the studio working together, man, it just always um it just was just like, he's like a brother to me, you know what I mean? And so when we get in the lab, it's like a uh I don't know how to describe

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it, but it's like, it's like locking in with your brother. You know what I'm saying? Like you get in the studio with, with people and it's cool sometimes, but then you get in the studio with other people. Y'all can record many songs, you know what I

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it, but it's like, it's like locking in with your brother. You know what I'm saying? Like you get in the studio with, with people and it's cool sometimes, but then you get in the studio with other people. Y'all can record many songs, you know what I

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mean? Y'all vibing kicking it, you know, for hours and there's no pressure, the music flows effortless, you know. Um And another person I can remember doing the session with is, you know what I'm saying, me and Bang Fresh used to get a lot of stuff done

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mean? Y'all vibing kicking it, you know, for hours and there's no pressure, the music flows effortless, you know. Um And another person I can remember doing the session with is, you know what I'm saying, me and Bang Fresh used to get a lot of stuff done

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at to spot, you know what I mean before bank roll passed away. Um And so I just remember it specifically one time when we was there and we was recorded upstairs and downstairs, you know what I mean at the same time. So like we was working

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at to spot, you know what I mean before bank roll passed away. Um And so I just remember it specifically one time when we was there and we was recorded upstairs and downstairs, you know what I mean at the same time. So like we was working

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on two songs at the same time, me and was working on a project together. So was upstairs working on a, you know what I mean? A beat, he send it downstairs then you know, I might go downstairs, then he might start on another beat. Bank roll

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on two songs at the same time, me and was working on a project together. So was upstairs working on a, you know what I mean? A beat, he send it downstairs then you know, I might go downstairs, then he might start on another beat. Bank roll

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might start on that beat. So you know, being back and forth working like that was real dope. OK. Now, I mean, you, I mean, right, you just mentioned that you work with arguably one of the greatest uh producers, uh you know, in southern hip hop tune,

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might start on that beat. So you know, being back and forth working like that was real dope. OK. Now, I mean, you, I mean, right, you just mentioned that you work with arguably one of the greatest uh producers, uh you know, in southern hip hop tune,

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right? But what did you pick up, like, learn from him during those studio sessions that you've incorporated, you know, in your business practices since then? You know what I'm saying? And whether it may be some, some, some game he gave you about business or just how

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right? But what did you pick up, like, learn from him during those studio sessions that you've incorporated, you know, in your business practices since then? You know what I'm saying? And whether it may be some, some, some game he gave you about business or just how

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to maneuver in the studio or like what did you, you know what I'm saying? Pick up from Tune man. Working with man was real dope. Um He, he basically like taught me things about when I did the record with Tom on cloud nine. I remember that

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to maneuver in the studio or like what did you, you know what I'm saying? Pick up from Tune man. Working with man was real dope. Um He, he basically like taught me things about when I did the record with Tom on cloud nine. I remember that

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they still to like it was that he could beat up and um we the same concert, you know, this day Bankroll went now but same concert he send it downstairs because he like to, he liked to produce his beats upstairs in this studio. I don't think

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they still to like it was that he could beat up and um we the same concert, you know, this day Bankroll went now but same concert he send it downstairs because he like to, he liked to produce his beats upstairs in this studio. I don't think

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he got the same studio no more, but he liked to record his beats upstairs then um because it was his personal space, you know what I'm saying? So he'll, he'll come out there, he'll cook up, you know what I mean? I just vibe, I write, you

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he got the same studio no more, but he liked to record his beats upstairs then um because it was his personal space, you know what I'm saying? So he'll, he'll come out there, he'll cook up, you know what I mean? I just vibe, I write, you

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know what I mean? While he was making the beat. And um I remember we went downstairs and I would, I would say I was saying the record, you know, I was saying my verse a certain way, but he'll be like, no, you know, see it like

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know what I mean? While he was making the beat. And um I remember we went downstairs and I would, I would say I was saying the record, you know, I was saying my verse a certain way, but he'll be like, no, you know, see it like

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dicks, you know what I mean? In terms of like, put more feeling into it, you know, and not just see it. And so, um I remember doing that and just, you know what I mean? Like have, you know, getting the outcome that we got, that was

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dicks, you know what I mean? In terms of like, put more feeling into it, you know, and not just see it. And so, um I remember doing that and just, you know what I mean? Like have, you know, getting the outcome that we got, that was

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one of my biggest records still to the today. And um and so now I put, I use that every time I go on the lab, you know what I mean? In terms of putting that feeling into it, like, you know, so people can feel your, your,

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one of my biggest records still to the today. And um and so now I put, I use that every time I go on the lab, you know what I mean? In terms of putting that feeling into it, like, you know, so people can feel your, your,

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your heart or put the twang on it, you know what I mean? So people know it's a tl OK. Uh Early on uh you mentioned outcast, uh of course, you just making Slim cal Home who were some of your other uh early influences, you know what

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your heart or put the twang on it, you know what I mean? So people know it's a tl OK. Uh Early on uh you mentioned outcast, uh of course, you just making Slim cal Home who were some of your other uh early influences, you know what

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I'm saying in hip hop and who still inspires you to uh to this day, you know what I'm saying? If it's old or young, t I was definitely one of my early on influences uh Future has inspired me for Show Andre 3000 Erica Bad, you know

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I'm saying in hip hop and who still inspires you to uh to this day, you know what I'm saying? If it's old or young, t I was definitely one of my early on influences uh Future has inspired me for Show Andre 3000 Erica Bad, you know

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what I'm saying? And a lot of other people, man, Nip Hussle, you know, um I'm a student of the game. I like, I like artists that don't just um make good music. But I like the person, you know, I like to be able to listen to

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what I'm saying? And a lot of other people, man, Nip Hussle, you know, um I'm a student of the game. I like, I like artists that don't just um make good music. But I like the person, you know, I like to be able to listen to

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somebody and know what they're talking about and their music, they really live. And so that's why I draw a lot of my inspiration for Tupac. You know what I mean? I know. OK. First grill you made was fill in the blank. Um First grill I made

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somebody and know what they're talking about and their music, they really live. And so that's why I draw a lot of my inspiration for Tupac. You know what I mean? I know. OK. First grill you made was fill in the blank. Um First grill I made

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was not that good. Right. Right. It was um was um so how, so when you started uh you know, on this journey that has got you to the platform and the level that you are now, right? Uh Early on, what did you figure out without anybody

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was not that good. Right. Right. It was um was um so how, so when you started uh you know, on this journey that has got you to the platform and the level that you are now, right? Uh Early on, what did you figure out without anybody

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telling you that you would have to do to take your craft to the next level? I mean, like, what did you figure out early on? I had to get a good team together, you know. Um It's kind of crazy man because like, so I do more

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telling you that you would have to do to take your craft to the next level? I mean, like, what did you figure out early on? I had to get a good team together, you know. Um It's kind of crazy man because like, so I do more

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than just make grills, right? I design grills. Um We have our grill shop but a lot of grills that's out now. Designs. I've come up with like the styles of the grills, right? Um The bar style and um like we do slug cuts, we do the

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than just make grills, right? I design grills. Um We have our grill shop but a lot of grills that's out now. Designs. I've come up with like the styles of the grills, right? Um The bar style and um like we do slug cuts, we do the

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super go. It's a lot of different styles of these days. Um You know that people weren't doing before because a lot of grill shops won't even do certain things because it's too much work you know, so, um, you know, I, I've been able to like, design

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super go. It's a lot of different styles of these days. Um You know that people weren't doing before because a lot of grill shops won't even do certain things because it's too much work you know, so, um, you know, I, I've been able to like, design

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celebrity grills for people and that's really like the, the big thing that I do besides making the grills, you know. Um, but I love doing, you know, I love doing all of it. Um, and I've been doing it now for about eight or nine years. Ok.

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celebrity grills for people and that's really like the, the big thing that I do besides making the grills, you know. Um, but I love doing, you know, I love doing all of it. Um, and I've been doing it now for about eight or nine years. Ok.

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So what, well, how significant in your opinion, uh, you know, is, are the grills to the hip hop culture? I mean, right? Are they hand in hand? I mean, do you feel like, you know, you can't have one without the other or do you think that

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So what, well, how significant in your opinion, uh, you know, is, are the grills to the hip hop culture? I mean, right? Are they hand in hand? I mean, do you feel like, you know, you can't have one without the other or do you think that

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the hip hop culture has elevated people wanting grills? I feel like the hip hop culture is elevated people wanting grills. I feel like the the direct correlation to me is like tattoos, you know, um at one point tattoos was like really frowned upon. You had tattoo,

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the hip hop culture has elevated people wanting grills? I feel like the hip hop culture is elevated people wanting grills. I feel like the the direct correlation to me is like tattoos, you know, um at one point tattoos was like really frowned upon. You had tattoo,

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you couldn't even get a job, you know, now people get a job, they got tattoos everywhere, you know. And so same thing with grills like before I feel like grills were looked at as being something that was like thuggish, you know. Um now you got celebrities

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you couldn't even get a job, you know, now people get a job, they got tattoos everywhere, you know. And so same thing with grills like before I feel like grills were looked at as being something that was like thuggish, you know. Um now you got celebrities

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like Isa Ray wearing grills on the red carpet, you know what I mean? And all kind of like commercials. Now I see commercials with all we done commercials with Carmax, you know what I mean? You know the, you know what I'm saying? So it's just now

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like Isa Ray wearing grills on the red carpet, you know what I mean? And all kind of like commercials. Now I see commercials with all we done commercials with Carmax, you know what I mean? You know the, you know what I'm saying? So it's just now

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so like comfortable that you can wear a grill at work or have gold teeth at work. It's, it's becoming more like that, not as like that yet, but I feel like it's going to get to the point where tattoos are just totally acceptable, how the grills

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so like comfortable that you can wear a grill at work or have gold teeth at work. It's, it's becoming more like that, not as like that yet, but I feel like it's going to get to the point where tattoos are just totally acceptable, how the grills

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are, ok, who has contacted you to design or make a grill that made you say damn, the Hawks, the Atlanta Hawks, like I was like, what, you know, um that was dope. We did, we did grills for the Hawks earlier this year. And so I'm from

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are, ok, who has contacted you to design or make a grill that made you say damn, the Hawks, the Atlanta Hawks, like I was like, what, you know, um that was dope. We did, we did grills for the Hawks earlier this year. And so I'm from

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Atlanta, you know, and, uh, we designed grills for them and 13 NBA teams that they played this year in the season. So it was all over, you know, the screens and the Jumbotron and you know that they saw grills by Scotty shirts in the, in the,

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Atlanta, you know, and, uh, we designed grills for them and 13 NBA teams that they played this year in the season. So it was all over, you know, the screens and the Jumbotron and you know that they saw grills by Scotty shirts in the, in the,

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in the store in the Hawks arena. So that was dope. Ok. Now, now that's hard right there, right? So, I mean, like, how did that that come about? I mean, why did they see your work on artists and someone contact you from the team or like,

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in the store in the Hawks arena. So that was dope. Ok. Now, now that's hard right there, right? So, I mean, like, how did that that come about? I mean, why did they see your work on artists and someone contact you from the team or like,

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did you do one for a player? And they said, you know what I'm saying? I mean, like, how did that come about? Well, um, there's a lady that works with the Hawks who got a grill for me, um, before that, and so she loved the grill

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did you do one for a player? And they said, you know what I'm saying? I mean, like, how did that come about? Well, um, there's a lady that works with the Hawks who got a grill for me, um, before that, and so she loved the grill

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and so she had an idea, I was like, man, we should make grills for the, for the season opener. And I was like, ok, and I thought she was just saying it, you know, and she was serious though. And so we did, we ended up doing

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and so she had an idea, I was like, man, we should make grills for the, for the season opener. And I was like, ok, and I thought she was just saying it, you know, and she was serious though. And so we did, we ended up doing

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that maybe like a week or two later. May have been, it was just real quick happening. And um, yeah, it, it was, it was a dope experience being in the gym in the Hawks, you know, arena fitting people's grills, you know, watching it on the screen

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that maybe like a week or two later. May have been, it was just real quick happening. And um, yeah, it, it was, it was a dope experience being in the gym in the Hawks, you know, arena fitting people's grills, you know, watching it on the screen

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like it was great. I feel like I feel like there's been a lot of moments in them that it felt like, man, I made it, you know, um it just, I don't know how they even describe me every day. It's just something that made me feel

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like it was great. I feel like I feel like there's been a lot of moments in them that it felt like, man, I made it, you know, um it just, I don't know how they even describe me every day. It's just something that made me feel

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like, wow, you know, I made it, you know, whatever that is, you know what I'm saying? Um but I'm just happy man to just, you know, being able to, being able to do something that I, I like doing and um you know, being recognized for doing

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like, wow, you know, I made it, you know, whatever that is, you know what I'm saying? Um but I'm just happy man to just, you know, being able to, being able to do something that I, I like doing and um you know, being recognized for doing

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it is, is dope. Ok. So how did it feel to, to go from admiring, from afar as a young and growing up in Atlanta outcast to now designing and making big boys grill? I mean, like how did that come about? It was dope. Um I've been

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it is, is dope. Ok. So how did it feel to, to go from admiring, from afar as a young and growing up in Atlanta outcast to now designing and making big boys grill? I mean, like how did that come about? It was dope. Um I've been

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rocking with Big Boy for a long time, so I've been pulling up at the shows. I've been um you know, like II I had a record with him, you know, I was on school with them. Um I did a whole project with organized noise that, you

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rocking with Big Boy for a long time, so I've been pulling up at the shows. I've been um you know, like II I had a record with him, you know, I was on school with them. Um I did a whole project with organized noise that, you

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know, we never really got a chance to put out. Um So, yeah, man, it's, it's, it's, it's, it was dope just in timing of being able to work with him and uh Sleepy Brown and you know, that whole experience with them was just still to this

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know, we never really got a chance to put out. Um So, yeah, man, it's, it's, it's, it's, it was dope just in timing of being able to work with him and uh Sleepy Brown and you know, that whole experience with them was just still to this

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day. Don't even seem real. Ok. How did the connection with uh Isa Ray happen? Isa just came in the shop. She said she had been riding by the store and she saw it a couple of times, she looked it up online and wanted to just come

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day. Don't even seem real. Ok. How did the connection with uh Isa Ray happen? Isa just came in the shop. She said she had been riding by the store and she saw it a couple of times, she looked it up online and wanted to just come

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in and she did, you know, um and that's like how that really, really happened, you know, she came in, got molded up and I didn't know, um I didn't really know who she was at first, you know, but I, I found out through my staff and,

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in and she did, you know, um and that's like how that really, really happened, you know, she came in, got molded up and I didn't know, um I didn't really know who she was at first, you know, but I, I found out through my staff and,

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you know, ended up delivering her grill to her in, in France for her wedding. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, that was great. Ok. Ok. And how did you go about getting the call to design and do tips grill still hit me up. I was

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you know, ended up delivering her grill to her in, in France for her wedding. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, that was great. Ok. Ok. And how did you go about getting the call to design and do tips grill still hit me up. I was

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in L A and he dm me, you know, at this time like, you know, I've been on T I for a minute but he ain't never really just DM me, you know about that really? And so he dm me like, man, I wanna get a grill

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in L A and he dm me, you know, at this time like, you know, I've been on T I for a minute but he ain't never really just DM me, you know about that really? And so he dm me like, man, I wanna get a grill

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and I'm like, what, you know, I told myself like, man, I just hit me, man, they're like for real. He said he needed the grill. He was trying to get it like the next day or something. So I was like, man, I'm gonna fly back, man,

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and I'm like, what, you know, I told myself like, man, I just hit me, man, they're like for real. He said he needed the grill. He was trying to get it like the next day or something. So I was like, man, I'm gonna fly back, man,

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so I flew back, um, linked up with him, we it up quite a few different things and um they got the grill to ended up doing the grill for his son. Um Yeah, why did you choose uh to archive those three modes that you sent us?

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so I flew back, um, linked up with him, we it up quite a few different things and um they got the grill to ended up doing the grill for his son. Um Yeah, why did you choose uh to archive those three modes that you sent us?

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Um I feel like those were special to me, you know, um I feel like those kind of embody, you know, things that I want when you think of girls by Scotty, you know what I'm saying? I know people always think about, you know what I'm saying

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Um I feel like those were special to me, you know, um I feel like those kind of embody, you know, things that I want when you think of girls by Scotty, you know what I'm saying? I know people always think about, you know what I'm saying

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in anyway, you know what I'm saying? But II, I feel like, you know, uh to be honest, man, this is like, um it's just even so wild and just dope, you know what I mean? Like to even be a part of this in general, you know,

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in anyway, you know what I'm saying? But II, I feel like, you know, uh to be honest, man, this is like, um it's just even so wild and just dope, you know what I mean? Like to even be a part of this in general, you know,

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I feel like it's a big deal, you know what I mean? And um I don't know, it just kinda, it kind of still processing and singing in my mind, you know what I'm saying? But I think it's big to me because, you know, um, in the

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I feel like it's a big deal, you know what I mean? And um I don't know, it just kinda, it kind of still processing and singing in my mind, you know what I'm saying? But I think it's big to me because, you know, um, in the

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music game in general, you lose, I, I lose homeboy sometimes and they may not be mugged in history, you know what I'm saying? But like, you know what, what we doing, it's like, wow, man, forever, you know, something that I did, you know, or my name

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music game in general, you lose, I, I lose homeboy sometimes and they may not be mugged in history, you know what I'm saying? But like, you know what, what we doing, it's like, wow, man, forever, you know, something that I did, you know, or my name

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will forever be remembered because of this and, and that's big, you know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, I definitely wanna, you know what I'm saying? Tell you from a, you know what I'm saying? Og a age that, you know what I'm saying? Uh You know,

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will forever be remembered because of this and, and that's big, you know what I'm saying? Well, I mean, I definitely wanna, you know what I'm saying? Tell you from a, you know what I'm saying? Og a age that, you know what I'm saying? Uh You know,

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we're, we're very proud of, you know what I'm saying, young men like yourself that have used what, you know, African Americans and Latinos created years ago, calling hip hop to be able to take care of yourself. You know what I'm saying? Uh Have a pop, have

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we're, we're very proud of, you know what I'm saying, young men like yourself that have used what, you know, African Americans and Latinos created years ago, calling hip hop to be able to take care of yourself. You know what I'm saying? Uh Have a pop, have

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a positive, you know what I'm saying, image out in the public and something that you can feed yourself and your families with, even if you choose to stop recording. So you know what I'm saying? I just want to commend you and tell you, thank you for

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a positive, you know what I'm saying, image out in the public and something that you can feed yourself and your families with, even if you choose to stop recording. So you know what I'm saying? I just want to commend you and tell you, thank you for

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being an example to someone that's looking at you that you don't even know is looking at you. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I want you to keep up, you know what I'm saying? The good work because every time I've seen you,

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being an example to someone that's looking at you that you don't even know is looking at you. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I want you to keep up, you know what I'm saying? The good work because every time I've seen you,

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you are leveling up, you know what I'm saying? I want you to, you know, continue on your journey to do that, you know what I'm saying? And the last thing I want to ask you, right? And I'm going to get on there with today is uh

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you are leveling up, you know what I'm saying? I want you to, you know, continue on your journey to do that, you know what I'm saying? And the last thing I want to ask you, right? And I'm going to get on there with today is uh

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80 years from now when someone Googles Scottie A tl what do you want that legacy to reflect, man? I want people to reflect that um that he was, he was somebody that change the culture, you know, and, and made push hip hop for, for, you know,

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80 years from now when someone Googles Scottie A tl what do you want that legacy to reflect, man? I want people to reflect that um that he was, he was somebody that change the culture, you know, and, and made push hip hop for, for, you know,

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um in terms of grills um in terms of, you know, uniting people, you know, in, in that way, you know, making people smile um joining all colors and all races together, you know, through this thing that we call gold grills. And um I think that I

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um in terms of grills um in terms of, you know, uniting people, you know, in, in that way, you know, making people smile um joining all colors and all races together, you know, through this thing that we call gold grills. And um I think that I

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want people to, to remember that um you know, I, I always was passionate, I always spoke from the heart and I always tried to help people and I do that as um as a way of being an example so that people could see what I do

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want people to, to remember that um you know, I, I always was passionate, I always spoke from the heart and I always tried to help people and I do that as um as a way of being an example so that people could see what I do

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and do the same thing and that's my hope, you know, so what?

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and do the same thing and that's my hope, you know, so what?