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I don't know. Now it's very difficult to separate these two issues because they are connected together as students. Most of, you know, practically nothing about Bill Masterson. There's no way that you could know anything about him and whatever your opinion is, has to be based upon

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what you have heard uh or what you have seen and heard from your student leaders during the past few days. I don't want to uh talk at length about Bill Masterson. Uh I was not closely acquainted with him uh and the experiences that I uh my,

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my acquaintance with him uh is a rather long distance in the past. And uh so I don't feel that that uh that I really can say, can contribute very much uh along that line. I can speak to the first issue and say that I feel that

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uh uh uh I think with the majority of the faculty and, and with the majority of the students that the uh board conducted themselves uh in a very ill mannered way in the way that, that to say it in the nicest way possible uh in the

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way that this selection was made. And that the board should be made fully aware and they have been made aware and perhaps should be made even more strongly aware of the, the feelings of the student, faculty of the students and the faculty on this point. I'm,

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I believe from what I know from what uh brief conversation I've had with the members of the board that they do, uh or at least are beginning to realize uh how the students and the faculty feel on this point. And this is a very important point.

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And it's one that I hope that can be made very clearly to the board and that the board will respond to in a, in a formal way to recognize the concern and to recognize the right of the students and faculty to have uh an important voice

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in not only this matter, but other matters of a similar nature and that their ears will be open in the future to these matters. Now, let me say one more word about the uh the second uh question. This is a very, the second point is very,

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that one will be a very difficult question for me to vote on because the question is somewhat ambiguous. As I said, I don't want to go into my personal feelings about Bill Masterson because that is not really uh relevant to the question at this point. I

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do of course, have to ask myself uh as a department chairman, can I work with Bill Masterson? Well, uh I of course, don't know the answer to that yet. All I can say is that if it should come to that point, that I will certainly try

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my best. I am not going to vote on that ballot with the implication that if Bill Masterson is appointed as the president of rights that I will resign because I don't think I will resign. I would rather stay here in the first place and see what

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happens. And if bad things happen, then I would rather try to fight it out on that basis rather than rejecting him in some way, uh in some other way. And so that makes that question rather difficult to answer. And uh I think each person has to

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decide in his own mind, uh that the question is there and each person has to interpret it. Uh that question in his own way. Uh on the day that he votes now, I haven't been very definite about this and I would be glad to answer specific

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questions if, if I have any right up, if you want me to do that, that you might have. Yes. Mhm. What's, what's going to happen? What will the board do do? I think? Well, that's very hard for me to answer. I thought I had a pretty

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good idea of what might happen. And, uh I've talked to some members that I've expressed my protest to the members of the board in person about these matters and it's very difficult to know at this stage, what, what can happen? Um I, I think it very

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likely that the board will as a formal body uh take some action in this matter. Now, how far this action will go? I don't know, I expect they may take a conciliatory action toward the students in the faculty in the way of this first point. And

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now how, what they can do in that way, how they can express their sincerity is an important question. And I don't know the answer to that. Uh will, they will Bill Masterson resign as a result of this ex uh uh expression. Uh If this vote should

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come out in this way. Now, I can't answer that. Uh I, all I can say is what I would do if I were in that situation and I would resign. But you ha you have to understand, I think it's very difficult to, to, uh and I

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don't, I certainly myself don't appreciate all of the, the nuances involved here because he's in a difficult position with the board himself. You see, because he has been appointed by the board. Uh they have the legal obligation as they have uh have uh pointed out for

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this decision. And they do indeed, there's no question about that. And so therefore, when they make a decision, they feel well, we have to back that position up. And as some of you have already said, it then gets to a point perhaps of some kind of

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confrontation. And of course, I, that one tries to avoid that, uh where possible and tries to keep the communications open and, and, uh, make sure that they become more open in the future. And I think the board made a big mistake, they realized that they made

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a mistake and they want to do what they can within the prerogatives of their body as a board to correct this mistake. Now, I don't know how far they can go in doing that. I don't know that uh I mean, it might come about that. Bill

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Masterson will be the president. I mean, that's possible. Very like, very possible. Good. I don't know of anyone who has sent in a letter of resignation or has threatened to resign. I've talked to people who have vaguely hinted about such things. I don't think there'll be

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any mass resignations. If he is appointed as president over a period of a few years, there might be some people that would leave. Let me say this though with regard to this question of fighting it out. Uh There's one professor who's been away on leave and

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who hasn't offered to come back to rice or to go to Harvard. And his department chairman called him and said you better not come back because we are gonna have a new president that you want, that you don't like he was here before. And he thought

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about it. And he said, I think I will, I like a challenge. And so there are guys like this who are gonna, who are gonna do this and, uh, uh, I don't know, I can't answer the question, how many people will resign? I don't know of

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any at this point. But, uh, this is early in the game. Thank. What will? Well, I, I can't answer that certainly. Uh, I think that, uh, well, I, I don't know. Uh are you raising this question because of, of a person from the humanities or because

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of the particular person himself? Well, it is my understanding from my brief conversations with the board of trustees that they fully intend to pursue the 10 year plan as it was laid down by Dr Pitzer. Now, that's all I know about it. Oh, all right. He

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wanted to know what uh the, the, the future might be in the sciences and uh whether we would uh proceed along the lines of the plan laid down by Pitzer. And I believe that the board intends to do that to the best of my knowledge. Yes,

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the faculty does not. He asked if there was anything other than resignation as a protest that the faculty intends to do. And again, I don't know. All I know is this vote tomorrow that will be taken, there will be a formal letter sent uh then to

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the board through uh the representatives of the faculty uh in connection with the faculty's feelings on this point. The board is going to be made aware of how the faculty feels completely on this point. Now, beyond that, I don't know that there's any uh that's, that's

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uh that's what look the board, the board is interested in rice too and they realize they made a mistake. Uh And uh I don't understand why they made that mistake. I can't explain it at all because these guys are smarter than that. OK. Um Yes. Uh

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you can work with that. We actually, we publish that the president is not having sight of it is in the back of c you're asking if he'll exert leadership as president. And I uh I can't answer that really because I don't know. Uh he is not

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my choice as president. That's about all I can say. He would not be my choice as president if I were picking a president. No. Well, I don't quite understand what's the implication is here that what that the they chose someone specifically to dissatisfy the faculties and

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students? I don't think so. No. Oh, no, no, I don't think so. I don't think so. I le I may be wrong in assessing this, but I think as I said, the students do not know Masterson most of them except from what's happened. The primary cause

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of the real difficulty to start with was the board not paying attention to this committee and dealing with it in a fair way that was expected by everyone. And this is what led then to the further, I mean, if, if they had, if the board had

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had gone through the regular procedures and done this, it could have been very well, the case that Masterson would have been the president, some of the faculty would have been unhappy. Most of the students would have been happy because the committee had been dealt with in

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the proper way. And so that's why I think these two questions are tied together very closely for those of you that don't know me. My name is John Richter. Not that that counts, but just so you know who I am.

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First of all, let me state that I don't think that anybody here in this assembly or anybody at any time has considered that we have the legality to choose the president. The board has the legal established role of choosing the president. The question is, do we

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have any voice at all in it? Let me point out that the voice given to the faculty student committee uh was in essence, arrived from the faculty committee which was authorized by the board. Let me also point out that in the first selection of a president

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from an established Rice University that is the first president selected after President Lovett, the faculty committee associated with the board did exercise a veto power on the first selection of the board. And the second selection. President Houston was accepted. Let me also point out that it

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was assumed when President Pitzer was selected that this committee also had this veto power, although it did not exercise it, this is the precedent. Are we to advance, are we to retrogress? There is a definite lack of communication. As we have pointed out, this lack of

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communication is to blame for the arousals on both sides, especially the arousals of the students and the faculty. But this lack of communication, I think is attributable to both sides, but mainly to the board for not establishing in fact what it definitely expected this committee to

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do. Also, I think that the committee selected by the faculty and the faculty did authorize students to get on the committee did was within its rights and did act as soon as it could. It had over 60 people to go over and compile dossiers on of

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these 60 people. They finally selected five and sent them to the board because they were of the opinion that the board had not been meeting, the board was in fact meeting in an extra, extra physical way through means of telephone conversation and individual conversations, but perhaps

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did not meet as a group until the final selection was made. Also let us look at the reaction of Masterson to the events that have gone on when he came down here. This has nothing to do with what he was before. What is doctor Masterson to

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us. What would he mean? As president? He left? Ok, he left possibly and probably because he was tired and we have pointed out that even in national diplomacy, people pull back sometimes, but they don't pull back without leaving some sort of a bridge. Did he leave

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us any indication of when he would talk to anybody again, if he would talk to anybody and if he would talk to anyone of the faculty or the students, he said he would definitely not talk to the student faculty committee and would not talk to the

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student committee that he had been talking to for what 57 hours, this is understandable. But did he leave anybody that he would talk to? And he hasn't said when he would come back? I have a few comments here on some points brought up before me. First

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of all, it has been said that this is a petty squabble. I don't think anybody here real really goes along with that except for the person that made that opinion. This is not a petty squabble. The president runs the university virtually as Mr Estes pointed out

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the board selects the president and then the president has mostly to do with all of the other selections that are made. Also somebody challenged all the actions that have been taken as railroading. I think that anyone that went to the assembly Saturday morning at 1030 heard

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sides of all opinions. There was only one opinion that was left out and that person asked to speak at 1035 5 minutes before the assembly and after the assembly had already been set up from what I saw, he immediately took offense and left. Second of all,

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is this or is this not a monolithic movement? We have a 951 to 7 ballot on our dis on our disturbance with this uh proposal by the board. This is monolithic with the people that were there, were there other people, certainly other people didn't show up.

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But I think that this is their own fault. And I think that if these other people want to be heard, want to be established in their movement, that they should come out to this vote that we're going to have tomorrow if they don't think and don't

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think that they should, we should protest what has happened, they should vote against it. Otherwise they have no reason to call for railroading. No reason to say that this wasn't a unified movement. It's, it's been suggested uh that, that we break the meeting up the formal

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meeting. Anyway, I would like to, to take five minutes and no longer to ask any questions you might have of me, not my opinion, but, but something that I could answer from having been in the meetings. And then at that time, uh you know, people can

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talk or you can divide up into smaller groups or whatever, but I will stop presiding over the meeting. All right, these are questions of me for what that it was all about. Hey, Don repeat those questions. Am I, am I any way responsible a lot? That

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was the one behind. Yeah, that's why uh well, no, I had nothing to do with this. All I can say is is to my understanding the meeting, the meeting in the gym was called as a meeting of the student body. And you know, those who showed

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up were representing the student body, just like those who vote in a referendum represent the student body. I mean, that's just a justification. Huh? You all right. Yeah. Now this is one thing, this is the reason the vote is being held tomorrow is because although, you

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know, 951 to 7 is fairly uh outstanding. Uh we wanted to make sure that we do it right. And so we wanted to have the boat out in the open and urge everyone that we could, you know, that we could possibly scrub up to find so

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that we could get something like 1800 or 1900 that were voting in the election. I did not know a great book uh in Ch Possible. All right, let's the question was um what? Yeah. OK. Yeah. At least funny. Uh Let me respond by asking you a

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question and then I'll answer yours. What? You know, what is an alternative that is possible besides just accepting him as president. Now, if you'll name the alternative, I'll tell you if we brought it up and, and he refused to talk about it. I did not walk

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in with the idea that he was unacceptable, you know, and this is one thing I probably didn't clarify too. Well, it was brought up in some of the speeches made here. Um I believed, and I guess the other presidents believe by what they said that if

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Doctor Masterson was submitted to the Student Faculty committee, they did not know, uh you know, if he would be rejected or affirmed. In fact, uh we did not even know if there would be a vote. Uh I was really assuming personally that if he was, you

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know, if he went to this committee to, to talk with them about his ideas of the university and his ideas of this situation, it was my understanding that what would probably happen because the board wouldn't agree to anything else would be that, that committee would, would

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talk with him and then talk with the board informally about him. And there, there wouldn't be any, you know, 5 to, to 4 votes or anything like this. Um But all, all we wanted him to do was was to talk to this. I mean, finally, you

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know, uh when we went in, I would not have agreed to this, but we finally reduced our position to saying we'll recognize that you're giving in to due process to some extent, if you will just go and talk with this committee and, and so they can

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decide what they think about your being president. He said, no, he couldn't do that because the committee uh would not talk with him about what rice should be. They would only talk with him about how he got there, how the selection had been made. And we

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said, OK, what if, what if we limit the meeting to be clearly a discussion of what rice needs like? Does rice need more money in grad school or undergraduate school? What's the problem with the colleges? Do they need more support from the administration? We discussed these

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issues and his ideas for about 30 minutes uh yesterday evening and we said, OK, if you'll just go and talk about the university and we won't bring up this crisis, then, you know, for now we're satisfied. And it was that understanding that we left with and

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it was that understanding that he rejected this morning at 10 o'clock. I mean, I feel personally that we just, you know, gave in more than we had the mandate to from the students. But, you know, I mean, it's just a situation where we came out and

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evaluate this morning one that, that he was refusing to cooper because he believed that what had happened was right. And therefore he couldn't compromise any on that. That, that's my opinion. Yeah. What were his ideas on the university? He mentioned several in this conversation that I

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just mentioned. One was that, uh you know, and I'm having trouble thinking after all these meetings. So, yeah, I mean, you're just depending upon that. I think he said that the board was for building up undergraduate education over graduate, that he was for building up undergraduate

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education, over graduate and that the faculty was in favor of building up graduate education over undergraduate. He said that he believed that a lot of uh that, that more support should, should go into the college system by the administration, for instance, uh giving associates some monetary

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value for being associates and giving their time uh giving um asso or giving professors who take on the responsibility of a college course, uh you know, a cut down in their responsibilities to their own department, stuff like this. Um It was his opinion that over the

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past sounded like 10 or 15 years, there has been developing a, a rift between the uh the Board of Trustees and the community. And it was his opinion that uh that doctor uh Pitzer, that Doctor Pitzer uh was, was very good in being able to hide

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this fact from both sides and in his six or eight years or whatever it was here that, that, you know, he was a very good president and that he could take two different things out, out of the community and out of the trustees and, and put

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them together and make them work and that his le his leaving, you know, accentuated this rift that had been, uh you know, that had been developing. And that this was one thing that, you know, of course, is most evident in what is happening this week. But

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regardless of how this resolved is still going to be a factor uh in the university, and he believed that he could act as a cushion uh between the community and the trustees. Um I believe he said that he would be willing to give in to the

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faculty. Sounded to me like he was bribing them uh by giving them one talking the board of trustees into giving an elected faculty member a vote on the board. He said essentially uh four or five things that I personally agree with way be, uh this is

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really AAA pretty personal judgment on our behalf. We began to ask him questions about issues. We, we thought that he wouldn't agree with us and he kind of cut off not, you know, that's really a subjective judgment and we've been through a lot of meetings, but

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that was what we decided later that, that he carefully picked his issues and, you know, he was trying to manipulate us. But that's just impressions after a long ordeal. No, he said nothing about this. The only word I have on those is this is hearsay. Someone

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told me while he was master he opposed open house and drinking on campus. Uh, not to us. I heard that he opposed it while he was here previously about athletic program. Is that it? Thank you. Take your charge. I like being in not conditioned. Doctor

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Jones. Would you, would you repeat the question? I don't want to test it out. Oh, no, I'll be glad to talk. And I, I'd really rather just, I'm sort of frightening. Well, before I talk about the masters, uh, I would kind of like to, uh, to

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talk with the college a little bit and about my views of the situation. Uh I've will be completely honest and frank with you in terms of what my views are. Uh, let's let me try to first say what I think is the most important thing about

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this situation. And that is the, the that is that we've suddenly realized that there are very few avenues of communication between the board of trustees of this university and the faculty and students and that we can be and rather have com rather completely different attitudes, different

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understandings of what's going on and not realize it until some crisis such as this one occurs. And I think that the most absolutely crucial thing that we have to think about is what is the board thinking about and how can we communicate with them so that

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they understand the situation from our point of view? And we understand the situation from their point of view. Now, it may turn out that we're in disagreement. It may turn out that we're in utter disagreement, but we don't even know that specifically some of the things

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that I'm thinking about in, in regard to this or is the board satisfied with the direction that this university was following under the leadership of Pitzer. That is Pitzer goal was that this be a university of National eminence and he was a leader in the sense

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that he kept pointing at this goal and saying we can reach this goal. If you will follow me, work hard, we'll get there. And what happened? This takes faith and it, it sometimes you don't bring it off. Pitcher's policies of financing. Things were policies that would

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make businessmen used to operating a company uneasy because we would, we have, for example, the systems grant in which uh the National Science Foundation gave the university several million dollars to start this program for five years. At the end of that time, the university is supposed

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to pick up this, the expense of the faculty salaries involved. We have this health science Advancements award, the same sort of deal at the end of three years. I believe it is. The university is supposed to pick up the faculty salaries involved. Now, Pitzer believed that

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if you were good, you'd get the money, somebody would give you the money if you were good if you. And so you don't worry about it. You just do it. Uh And he was a leader in the sense that he could convince people that he was

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right that yes, you could achieve national eminence by this route. And the point is that I don't think he had the board of trustees completely convinced of this. And I think that when he went to Stanford, it, it's just, it's, in my opinion, it's exactly the

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same situation as if Cortez had left the Spaniards in Mexico City because the leader has disappeared. And the whole question of which direction this university will follow becomes a question that is extremely important to the board of trustees. Uh I think that the faculty until now

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thought that the board was going to follow the same approach that that pitcher was following. I'm not so sure. Now, I don't know what they think. That's the point. I'd like to know what they think. I wish they'd tell me. Do you still want to do

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this? I have the question I can see from various things that happened that the board of trustees is worried about student unrest. It's all, it's in the newspapers every day. They're worried that the thresher publishes dirty words. They're worried that, that we have Andy Warhol here

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the I mean, I'm serious. This, this is the reason they're worried is this, they, they go to the country club, their neighbors say, what do you mean that this is happening at Rice? And this is they don't hear what they don't hear our community, they hear

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their community and I'd like to know how much this is influencing them and whether their choice of Masterson was because they wanted a, a person who uh was strong, they felt that, that uh, that the administrators perhaps were a little too flexible with students and they

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wanted someone who would take a hard line. I don't know. I'd like, I'd like to find out the answers to these questions. I'd like to begin a dialogue with the board of trustees and try to see what it is that's going on in their mind and

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try to show them what it is that's going on in our mind because I think it's a mistake for them to react to the vote of the faculty on Friday afternoon as a defiance of their authority because it's not, it was the most responsible act the

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faculty has made in a long time as a as a group. Uh Bye. What I think we're all tired. It's getting to be hard to be rational about this. But I would like to uh OK, I'd like to look at a few of the facts and

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review them. The dissent has as been pointed out by everyone, been two fold student and faculty. I do not feel it has been as monolithic. It definitely not as monolithic on the part of the faculty as to the students. I think there's so much confusion that

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I don't, I kind of wonder about the validity of the polls to begin with. However, I think it might be good to look at some of the student dissents for one thing, it's been remarked that a, a breach of faith has occurred yet, the board did

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look into the people suggested by the student committee and under at no time that I have been informed that the board guarantee the faculty student or let's just confine it to the students for the moment, the student committee, the veto power over the final selection. Also

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this bit about democracy. I think that a number of people have been trying to play up, get the students aroused by saying, well, we're not getting our free choice, but I'd like all of you to think before you vote tomorrow and think how many of you

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voted for Barry Kaplan or for the people on that committee? I can't remember voting at all. And I was told that in some of the colleges that, that you were allowed to vote and others, the college officers picked them. So it wasn't an idea of complete

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total democracy to begin with. Also, I think that it's, it's a, I'm like anybody else. I don't like to feel that my freedom is being infringed upon. But I think after a little bit of reflection, I think most of the students at Rice have enough sense

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to realize that we are in better hands when we're letting trustees as opposed to the rest, all of us choosing the president because in spite of the, some of the sn a remarks about their country club set and so forth that we've heard tonight, these are

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like it or not, people that have been successful in many facets of life and these people I think, know a little bit more about who is nationally prominent in the field of education than I do or most of you do since we don't have bachelor's degrees.

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Also, I'd like to discuss the point of the faculty. It is of course, to some extent important that the faculty and the president be able to work together. Yet some faculty members have contended that the faculty of discontent that prevails is due over the procedure such

00:35:37.610 - 00:35:55.739

as Dr Grove. However, I think that's completely false and I talked to Doctor Pfeiffer this afternoon and in spite of the fact that we do take completely different stands on this, he was honest to the extent of admitting that the faculty discontent stems from personal dislike

00:35:55.750 - 00:36:10.040

of Doctor Masterson in large part. Now, I'd like to examine one thing that happened at the faculty meeting in the first place. I'd like you to know only half of the faculty members were there. I talked on the phone with about five that were not there

00:36:10.050 - 00:36:26.360

tonight and number of the few of the older professors, they one was not even aware that the meeting was not notified that the meeting was going to take place. There were a number of people who are definitely asked to go to this meeting because it was

00:36:26.370 - 00:36:43.510

released by and one professor in the psychology department made the remark that this meeting would not be just a meeting to announce the appointment of the next president but would be turned into a vote against Doctor Masterson. Uh of those that voted, I did attend the

00:36:43.520 - 00:36:56.330

faculty meeting. And there was some comment about that as to why a few minutes ago when I said that, and I'll tell you why Barry Kaplan uh made the remark in the student meeting that she intended to go to the faculty meeting and to find out

00:36:56.340 - 00:37:18.340

the vote. And I'm just a little tired of Barry Kaplan and her little SDS friends running everything. So I figured she's good enough to go. I can at any rate. I um at any rate, there were, there appeared to be about 10 members of the faculty.

00:37:18.350 - 00:37:37.010

I would say that very definitely and very strongly dislike for reasons when Doctor Masterson was here that dislike Doctor Masterson. However, uh there were a number of faculty members on the second boat which was more toward the man himself. It was worded. Should the appointment be

00:37:37.020 - 00:37:53.750

reviewed that voted against him? And I counted 10 that I know of for sure. And I'm sure there are many more that voted in the negative that have never met Doctor Masterson. They were not members of the faculty when he was here three years ago. Thus,

00:37:53.760 - 00:38:07.459

it seems, in other words, what I my point in this faculty dissent is not that the those members of the faculty that do dislike Doctor Masterson is I'm not trying to say that their feeling is not intense because it is very in, but the situation is

00:38:07.469 - 00:38:22.580

not as extensive as monolithic as Doctor Curl and a few others have had led you to believe those who are against Doctor Masterson are very much against Doctor Masterson. And they've gotten a number of other faculty members who do have had no contact with him at

00:38:22.590 - 00:38:42.060

all. Very upset. But I think that uh I think the situation should be reviewed. Also, there's the, the question of Doctor Masterson, man. I think that uh I've really been appalled at some of the uh remarks I've heard in the past few days. Well, I think

00:38:42.070 - 00:38:54.020

you've heard quite a bit of the other side. So I think I'm gonna demand equal time. In fact, the people who are screaming about my time, I think y'all are the ones screaming about this democracy stuff. So I'm here to learn. So y'all taught me that

00:38:54.030 - 00:39:21.020

tonight. So look, the nice car. There's official number that want to hear you talk. I'll make a statement. I don't care whether he talks or not, but the group has got to decide if we're gonna put time limits on it. Now, is there a motion that,

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um, let this finish since this is the middle of the, the motion is let him have two minutes to finish and the limit the rest to five all in favor, all opposed it carries. Also. Also, I'd like to mention that Doctor Masterson has been a, you've

00:39:53.830 - 00:40:07.750

been told many things such as the fact that he's against liquor in the dorms and so forth as a freshman, I remember going over to Hansen and being in people's rooms when they had liquor in the dorms. Also, as far as his capabilities as an administrator,

00:40:08.080 - 00:40:23.530

I would like you to that Dr Masterson is largely responsible for the college system. If it weren't for Dr Masterson, we wouldn't have Razor Hall if it weren't for Dr Masterson, Dr Matao and Dr Gruber who both so violently opposed his appointment would not be on

00:40:23.540 - 00:40:42.100

the Rice Faculty. Also, I would like you to know that I feel the reason Doctor Masterson is going to under no conditions give up the presidency is for you for this university because I'll tell you if this university is, if the faculty Student Action Group can

00:40:42.110 - 00:41:20.239

push the trustees around to such an extent that this this appointment is invalidated after it has gone through the legal channels that it has, then we are destroyed as a university because I do it that you're talking about. I uh briefly um I would like to

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reply specifically to the point that has several times been made as to how people can form an opinion against Doctor Masterson without actually having been here while, while he was here. Um I'm one of those people who has arrived at Rice since Dr Masterson left the

00:41:40.120 - 00:42:01.260

Chattanooga. And over the past few days, I have had to try to form an opinion about Dr Masterson. And naturally I've been talking with as many members of the faculty, as many students as I can find who have direct experience of Dr Masterson. Um I've also,

00:42:01.270 - 00:42:25.820

as you all understand, been able to approach this without personal animosity dating to previous years. Um Just two things which have made me feel that Doctor Masterson is an inappropriate choice uh for the university at this time of these. Um First of all, um I think

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that although perhaps it's not absolutely necessary to have a scholar as president of the university, um it would seem that whatever career the person has been in, he should have made some definite mark of distinction. And for a university of this caliber, I think that the

00:42:48.149 - 00:43:06.659

president should be a person of great distinction. Those of you who are familiar with President Pitt's qualifications will know that he was an eminent person in his field, was widely recognized for this in the nation and abroad. I don't think that the same can be at

00:43:06.669 - 00:43:39.050

all said for Dr Masterson, his reputation as a scholar is not considerable. Um moreover, um his uh um general reputation as an educationalist is also not considerable. And in these circumstances, I think that his nomination as president, his, his, his nomination as president for a university

00:43:39.060 - 00:44:06.040

of this quality constitutes something of an affront to the university as a whole. Secondly, Dr Carl has very eloquently described the kind of future which was left with this university by Dr Pitzer. This was a future which looked forward to the university being recognized in a

00:44:06.050 - 00:44:29.739

great many of its fields upon a national scale and to be a world leader, perhaps in several of these fields. Um from everything that I have heard about Dr Masterson, especially from people whose judgment and instincts I would respect very much. It would make me think

00:44:29.750 - 00:45:05.709

that Doctor Masterson is not the person to meet these challenges which are open to the university. These are just two reasons why I myself have come to the conclusion that I would not favor Dr Masterson as president during the next 10 years, right. We

00:45:05.719 - 00:45:30.199

have 13.4. Number three, please state your name. My name is Ed Dowry. I'm one of your associates too and a non tenured faculty member. Uh I wanted to make one historical point, some of the history has been discussed here tonight um in the election of a

00:45:30.209 - 00:45:57.649

selection of past presidents of Rice without in any way infringing upon the final legal responsibilities of the board. A precedent has been established by which no president has been chosen, whose name has not been at least mentioned to some responsible faculty group before it was public

00:45:57.669 - 00:46:21.409

publicly announced or finally decided upon. In this case. What what is especially angers many of us is that we were led to believe that the faculty and students would have more of a voice in the selection of the president. Instead we have had less. And it's

00:46:21.419 - 00:47:02.290

this disparity in the light of this historical precedent that uh moves many of us to render this appointment unacceptable with all the friends. Look why I'm Joe Micheletti, the student, the student faculty reaction to Doctor Masterson's appointment is an appalling example of unfairness. Many underclassmen have

00:47:02.300 - 00:47:21.260

never heard of Dr Masterson before his appointment ignorant completely of the merits of the new president. These students have still reacted harshly against his appointment. The student leaders, the student leaders conference should have questioned Doctor Masterson on his on his prospective policies and his beliefs. Instead

00:47:21.270 - 00:47:42.679

of aiming for his resignation. If supposedly open minded rice, students will seek out the views of a crackpot scientist and a fanatical atheist, surely they should merely be willing to listen to the views of Dr Masterson. Yeah, the trustees, the trustees still have the sole authority

00:47:42.689 - 00:47:59.389

to appoint the president. If they did uh lead the students and faculty to expect consultation, they should have given them a hearing. But the faculty and the students do not have the right to expect to veto power over the appointments of the trustees. The trustee. If

00:47:59.399 - 00:48:15.229

the trustees have been guilty of an honest error in communication, which I think they have been, they realize this and have expressed the regret. The faculty is also guilty of a grave error and hastily reacting to the appointment. Many of the students are backing this move

00:48:15.239 - 00:48:28.899

in order to support a faculty which they know has rashly judged a well qualified man. The future of rice is now hanging in the balance if we students vote according to our knowledge of the merits of the man and calmly consider the question, many of us

00:48:28.909 - 00:48:45.439

will decide that we know too little about the man to even cast an intelligent vote. Some people who know who do know him as I have, I've had him my freshman year for history. I know him where they are will be qualified to vote watching. Now,

00:48:48.050 - 00:49:04.810

in any case, I would urge strongly that rice students think calmly about the vital issue and avoid emotionalism such as I'm seeing right now tonight, if the students withdraw support from the United Students and faculty, then the crisis will degenerate into the petty squabble. It really

00:49:04.820 - 00:49:42.500

is and we will gain and who will have gained an eminently honorable fair president. We owe it to ourselves to be fair to our new president. I hope I have faith that we will be railroad is stifling descent. Mass hysteria. It can't happen here. Yeah. For

00:49:42.510 - 00:49:58.500

those of you that don't know me, my name is John Richter. Not that, that counts, but just so you know who I am. First of all, let me say that I don't think that anybody here in this assembly or anybody at any time has considered that

00:49:58.510 - 00:50:19.699

we have the legality to choose the president. The board has the legal established role of choosing the president. The question is, do we have any voice at all in it? Let me point out that the voice given to the faculty student committee uh was in essence,

00:50:19.709 - 00:50:40.800

arrived from the faculty committee which was authorized by the board. Let me also point out that in the first selection of a president from an established Rice University that is the first president selected after President Lovett, the faculty committee associated with the board did exercise a

00:50:40.810 - 00:51:00.469

veto power on the first selection of the board and the second selection, President Houston was accepted. Let me also point out that it was assumed when President Pitzer was selected that this committee also had this veto power, although it did not exercise it. This is the

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precedent. Are we to advance or are we to retrogress? There is a definite lack of communication as we have pointed out, this lack of communication is to blame for the arousals on both sides, especially the arousals of the students and the faculty. But this lack of

00:51:17.469 - 00:51:39.689

communication, I think is attributable to both sides but mainly to the board for not establishing in fact what it definitely expected this committee to do. Also, I think that the committee selected by the faculty and the faculty did authorize students to get on the committee did

00:51:39.850 - 00:51:54.729

was within its rights and did act as soon as it could. It had over 60 people to go over and compile dossiers on of these 60 people. They finally selected five and sent them to the board because they were of the opinion that the board had

00:51:54.739 - 00:52:15.129

not been meeting, the board was in fact meeting in an extra, extra physical way through means of tele long conversation and the individual conversations, but perhaps did not meet as a group until the final selection was made. Also let us look at the reaction of Masterson

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to the events that have gone on when he came down here. This has nothing to do with what he was before. What is Doctor Masterson to us? What would he mean as president? He left? Ok. He left possibly and probably because he was tired and we

00:52:35.439 - 00:52:53.260

have pointed out that even in national diplomacy, people pull back sometimes, but they don't pull back without leaving some sort of a bridge. Did he leave us any indication of when he would talk to anybody again, if he would talk to anybody and if he would

00:52:53.270 - 00:53:19.090

talk to anyone of the faculty or the students, he said he would definitely not talk to the student faculty committee and would not talk to the student committee that he had been talking to for what 57 hours, I'd like you to take the call to order

00:53:20.229 - 00:53:44.959

the whole last call. And I'd like to send my thanks to the members of the faculty, the faculty that so 31 come with me. And uh well, most of, you know, the part is being and the uh the other main that was to uh Elucidate and

00:53:44.969 - 00:54:07.949

go over what has occurred since Friday after when we all told Dr Mason what the president arrives. I'm going to go through the press releases today. I'll give you the latest baby, the results from the fact. And plus uh gold was another part that brought up

00:54:08.379 - 00:54:39.219

uh maybe a few months ago. I see just a few of the decisional notes to start out with one, a written an essay in the one news media has been making decades ago but, and their uh interpretations and rending of various episodes in campus and anytime

00:54:39.229 - 00:54:57.879

you uh an encounter of a wrong name or misquoting number and misquote, don't uh call regularly the station, call them to the a office and they're saying that the person over there to handle the mistakes, call them straight in the uh been to get many planes,

00:54:58.070 - 00:55:22.510

they, they hard to run the stations. Um No, is uh we all feel and we've always been shown this our opinion through our, our administration in the coach we had. And that for this week is one of the utmost, uh, things that I think about this.

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And, uh, well, there's a little newspaper in the Valley RR it's not the best ride. Uh, anyway, the, uh, the deal is, yes, they would like to, uh, say if you experience a kind of la, you live, you tell me what's words, not in flowers, berries

00:55:50.500 - 00:56:25.810

and long b but just tell them what, what, what deal is this, this the public is. Yeah, welcome more in the morning. Doctor Garside will speak in Fall. It is very good thought and then have a class and do them or you don't have class. You

00:56:25.830 - 00:56:54.270

to this. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's beside the point. Uh I will now I'm gonna move his way through this power to begin with. Um the initial release that warrant put out uh is that followed. This was on Friday students and faculty alive and long and try

00:56:54.280 - 00:57:22.090

to be the administration in this period that we accepted the responsibility for giving our consideration time to pass the president election. We regret that at this time, our good faith and efforts have been ignored. We sincerely hope that the really right. This is the first thing

00:57:22.100 - 00:57:43.040

to come out and it's kind of the go and base for so it's too far. I check what happened in the last few days. The next thing is copies of this been passed out. I don't, you don't take too much time, but this is the, uh,

00:57:43.379 - 00:58:05.760

the official skin S A the 12, 9 days and you can read through that if there's any questions about something on that we'll take up. But in order to get this stuff down to a minimum amount of time, the maximum amount, um, that's ok. I just

00:58:05.770 - 00:58:28.379

want to remind you of the, uh, the state of the College for Office Association. You fine with not ready for the baby one. Yeah. Uh critical tenants. In this statement, in view of Doctor Masterson's refusal to consider the issues due process in this specific injection and

00:58:28.389 - 00:58:52.879

due the overwhelming fact of rejection of Doctor Mason. This student ruled that include that Doctor Masterson acceptable. We can only hope that the word of custos recognizes the impossible situation, created a document remain president of university. This is the crux of the news released by the

00:58:52.889 - 00:59:24.520

student associate. The student is this evening one screen as a student representative and then William Gordon met with members of the faculty and chairmans of various departments. This was the organizational say the organization meeting of the factory, the uh the first exam that the president was

00:59:25.389 - 00:59:47.189

the traditional leader of the faculty. In this case, it's obvious that there is no way the president it's been cut off. So the faculty of the student body, on the other hand, and had an individual college, they were able to organize and work effectively. Now is

00:59:47.199 - 01:00:14.800

the time to play to come in and become a students? You come back. Yeah. Pull the mic up a little help there. Mhm. See that a partial list of the faculty present decision of this afternoon before the Doctor, Doctor Imogen, Doctor Salford, doctor D, Doctor Adams,

01:00:15.469 - 01:00:38.000

Doctor Leman, doctor warn, Doctor Lee, Doctor Pratt Williams, Doctor Baker of the uh de department and Dean Gordon From this meeting, it was decided that Dean Gordon will handle the leadership of the faculty for exclusion. So thank you with me, have a leader and have a

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structure the uh back a week in conjunction with uh one G I released this statement driving in Houston, Texas, February 23rd, 1969 for students and faculty. We feel an imperative to accurately assess the concern of both faculty and students. With regard to the recent recent appointment

01:01:03.899 - 01:01:23.639

of Dr R Masterson as President of Rice University to implement this assessment. We propose the survey of faculty and the following two issues. One, the procedure used in selection to the choices made by the board of Trust. We further feel the responsibility to reflect the results

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is worked up for you at the earliest possible time and being Williamsburg Campus Ware president of the Grass Student Association in the morning, beginning at eight o'clock in the beginning at three in the evening. In the time, we will have a ballot box in the land

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line or ballot boxes of management and RC and all the other colleges with ballots. The same to the effect I approve. I disapprove the procedure you collect. Uh I disapprove the charges may be before this will be a secret ballot. The ballots will be counted at

01:02:02.600 - 01:02:34.169

the S A office. Um In conjunction with this true. OK. OK. This is the, this is the student, the uh the undergraduate student on the graduate student part is being handled through the Pharmacy and National Hall job information that is in phone committee working ever since

01:02:35.399 - 01:03:05.479

no graduate student and not every graduate student lived in university, the faculty will be proceeding in the same management but the faculty uh ballot is the same para is as much as possible. When back to here is a product that released the draft as Associate February

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23rd, 1969 students. And you have probably heard from news media. Draft University is in a state of practice and the whole concept of student fact disc university affairs is a serious question. The long tradition of Cooper and dialogue among all groups of the university community has

01:03:25.149 - 01:03:44.280

been building by board by ignoring the newly elected in the community which they themselves requested in the selection of a new president, the car, a good faith and trust that was the basis of this community and broke their own president said make it for the two

01:03:44.379 - 01:04:11.040

previous presidents, the faculty and students are united in their essential of the board sections and they demanded that the board reconsider the one this is the practice to a complete set of races and everything that has gone on. On the university, everyone, every major newspaper and

01:04:11.050 - 01:04:49.580

state paper has received. So every uh youthful, every issue, every source from out of campus, every make it has also been sent to uh various major colleges in, in the United States. Ok. Oh, this uh broke will be tomorrow, it will be counted and tomorrow evening,

01:04:51.600 - 01:05:17.300

uh my c will be informed the board and uh do the authorized the fact that were the results of this hole for it. Will the identification cards be punched or something? So that no one votes 20 times cards will be punched. It will require either a

01:05:17.340 - 01:05:40.629

punch on the card or a signed affidavit. You prefer that you have, you have your car trying to make this as a drum board and legal or possible. Uh As I said, unable difficulties. It's not the entire board. It's just who are present it now. Three

01:05:40.639 - 01:05:54.179

or four are in town kind of, I mean, I can't definitely say there will be a meeting that he already said they will be in, I guess as soon as she gets to work in the morning, you call it and trying to set up. This is

01:05:54.189 - 01:06:19.030

a, a 10 individual we're trying to fulfill the reason for this informal early meeting is that uh we faculty and students are trying not to commit to what the board did we are trying to communicate in all possible manners of the Lord. Yeah. You know this

01:06:19.399 - 01:06:55.169

ie this means that the board will be fully aware of the results of this election on other people. Talk about. Yeah. Yes. Um Can you name one? I guess we could bring the right man or something but. Mhm. It must be having a third. Uh Why

01:06:55.179 - 01:07:16.179

don't you invite a reporter to help count? There is a lovely, we, we've got a redheaded shadow around here. Now, now I make too much the chronicle I think is, I mean, if you all have wi I'm sure that doing a fantastic coat, that guy looks

01:07:16.189 - 01:07:37.419

like a haunted ghost man. Turn around, you walk out of a meeting and he's standing by at you just wait, you know, like this. Yes. Uh we're taking this issue of the possibility of the biology of life. But I think this is the pain. I mean,

01:07:37.889 - 01:08:01.649

I think before is absolutely true. This is a, well as for reality on something like this, there's, there's no real way to say this is the opinion. Put this way, this is the opinion of these people that are voting now, other than that, I, I wouldn't

01:08:01.659 - 01:08:21.979

even try to find what it means other than it is our opinion. Yeah. Would you consider putting a third category on the balance on the second for those who have no opinion about that, an opinion vote is no vote, no doubt you can put in there

01:08:21.990 - 01:08:43.359

if you wish. But absent is no, we're not voting on one and not the other one. That's fine. I mean, on the other, is there any more questions on this? Yeah, if you wish to add something on the belt, feel free to, to refer you to

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not sign the bill. I sign be uh in uh he about seven volunteers like customer about one. Ok. See me from turn up that on here. Um ok. Ok. The I still was on the video after me though. One thing I'd like to say about this

01:09:21.939 - 01:09:39.399

is uh about tomorrow. We can never go back to the Friday. I mean, if we can have what's been said and what's happened and what's been done, it's over with and then when you, when you make your decision about go tomorrow, you might as well take

01:09:39.410 - 01:09:54.189

this into account and there's no way you can do it no matter what I, what I'm, what I'm saying is I can honestly see that I, I can vote on my opinion. I try, I've got to go from other things io the one I gotta make

01:09:54.200 - 01:10:12.740

a proper thing in my hand because in my opinion, have tremendously changed for various reasons. I've been pretty closely involved. I for some reason or another, I can be up the old me. I've been in on almost all meetings. I've been all, all the students meetings

01:10:12.850 - 01:10:38.529

except for one section, one who represent a lot of hours talking to a lot of hours talking to each other. Why are just putting up the pain? It's been a little long. My French teacher said no, give me bad. Of course, that is normally uh I

01:10:38.549 - 01:11:05.430

have a list here. Go down through the uh I will say that uh those who I have been elected, speaking of myself acting as prison program, the major action, the uh Student Association President War graduate moron Roman, plus the three student members of that committee have

01:11:05.439 - 01:11:21.520

put in and not found in the back, but they've put in a lot of work over the weekend and it's preparing, it is continuing. We, we've been having meetings and II I attending some meetings during the reports. We have other good. But what I'm trying to,

01:11:21.589 - 01:11:43.620

trying to get out Saturday night and early this morning, most of our meetings were closed. Oh, ok. Uh uh Most of our meetings were closed. Now for one reason, we were on the request of the uh public related department document. And also we did not want

01:11:43.629 - 01:12:01.339

to uh release, not necessarily half true but half form idea until we had time to get a whole factor from now on the position that I guess I kind of trying to come through. I mean to say that people should not in the history of life

01:12:02.410 - 01:12:16.459

have decided that what we do. You, if you would like to know what goes on, no matter what time we leave, we know the way to come. I mean, I don't really want to have to hold it, you know, that all we start out with a

01:12:16.470 - 01:12:35.330

small one. It's open and it's there where your leader to put it that way. And we gave you a bloody time that the brain h get on my back. And the 23 we're having another meeting in March 4th, just discuss what goes on from that. And,

01:12:35.470 - 01:13:21.709

um, election tomorrow. Uh, I've got a meeting, a note from cal, I guess it kl grad students are meeting at 11 a.m. in the farm le lounge. Yeah, we, I for three minutes secretary. Ok. Ok. Yeah. Oh, uh, now I tell something, it may be like

01:13:21.720 - 01:13:40.759

a formal procedure or maybe even unnecessary. But I feel because the way the events have gone these past couple of days, we need to reaffirm our support of individuals, primarily Lauren Scar and the veteran of the street appreciation who is sort of hand on the front

01:13:40.770 - 01:13:58.299

of all the hers being the press and all this. And also then like there and I and Bill who have been working and I would just like to call for a vote of some sort to show the words so that they will know officially that, uh,

01:13:59.669 - 01:14:36.069

the, the door had a broken out but whatever it is, yeah, we won, we won. The, the important thing c here is not really bad because we know all of us know, we talk with you that we're all just about one on this. We're family and

01:14:36.080 - 01:14:50.740

we're students, we're all in the same boat and we're trying to plug up the same leak and we all, we all know pretty much what we think. So, I think if, if, if a boat like this really is necessary, what really is essential and it's really

01:14:50.750 - 01:15:10.720

fundamental is if you talk among yourselves with your friends and your faculty people that are here, you let us know what you think that's important. Ok. I've got to, I don't know. I, yes, could you give us some idea of what went on in the fine.

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That was what I was going through today. I figured we got started on that. It's gonna go for a long time. That's why I'm kind of this, this, I think I've gotten everything else out of the way. Is there a member of the cabinet member or

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anyone else who has got something pertinent before we began with, with our? 00, that I need, well, Stuart Morris needs some volunteers to help him call every members of White College off campus. This has to be done before eight o'clock in the morning. Um, anybody who

01:15:59.859 - 01:16:46.529

would like to help him antagonize win this, a story will tell you how many people know, you, you better recognize this town. Are you gonna say where the meeting is? Where is this meeting time for? Um, one of the point about Gene Gordon, he is repairing

01:16:47.109 - 01:17:14.200

at this time. A formal letter probably, uh, ring with, uh, that, that model election to the board. He is also need and has met already yesterday afternoon with the, the head of the department, the head of the departments. We'll go back and uh talk to her

01:17:14.290 - 01:17:37.470

back. Those uh one thing was Thomas started, it is done in the last three days. It's kind of been uh our uh down with the design connection and uh right, I get it. But there are no, those are about the same thing and I want to

01:17:37.640 - 01:17:51.500

that right now that uh you know, I may be serve or something like that, but I want you to come talk to me. I mean, don't be pain back because sometimes you're gonna hold the other way because I am here to represent you just as much

01:17:51.509 - 01:18:06.750

as anybody else. And if you've got something to say, just like I said, long ago in my room, we would become a 24 hour turn out for anything. Uh come up there and talk in case that if you wanna, you tell me about, get it organized

01:18:06.910 - 01:18:29.109

and talk to me, talk to other members of the cabinet, I mean, feel free to uh speak your peace and hand back. OK? Uh, uh, should I, uh, suggest that all the off can people that are here come to this table after the meeting? Maybe their

01:18:29.120 - 01:18:57.859

name when I call? Ok. Um, this eighties, we had quiet numbers. If there was any, among all of them, if they wish they would like to make a statement by a statement policy, a statement on personal opinion, anything, feel free to, uh, take these calls stand

01:18:57.879 - 01:19:31.819

up and do a knowledge. Yeah, certainly like the echo kind between. I think so. It has to do with this whole thing. How could you please identify yourself with those who don't know Doctor Freeman? Ok. I guess. Yeah. Now, can I ask you first to read

01:19:31.830 - 01:19:49.779

the second question on which uh uh all of us will be going tomorrow? I will give a complete uh thing to then this assessment we propose to some of those back students on the following two issues, the ballot will read and you will circle one or

01:19:49.790 - 01:20:14.140

the other. I approve. I disapprove number one, the procedure used in selection, but I quote, I approve, I disapproved number two. The choices, the choice made by the board of 50 or any other? Sure. Ok. Now, the, the uh, the issue that concerns me a little

01:20:14.149 - 01:20:47.330

bit is uh uh I'm just speaking personal, but the issue that concerns me is that the second question may mean apr sys uh be praised somewhat implicitly. Uh No, me, man, anyone got a dictionary or that II, I just personally want to express my unbounded admiration

01:20:47.339 - 01:21:11.430

for the sense of, of appropriate pr with all of the people that have manifested throughout these times. Your, your, your sense of, of uh uh uh of intelligent use of your own uh uh productive behavior. I I'm just very proud that we will be uh a

01:21:11.439 - 01:21:32.509

part of the community. But there's an issue raised in that second question, which I think has to be considered rather precise. To me, one issue could be whether or not Dr Matheson uh was an appropriate choice if the choice had been made uh in a fashion

01:21:32.520 - 01:21:56.279

which was uh acceptable. The second question. And as far as I can see, the, the way that those will be interpreted is whether or not given the current situation, whatever is your feeling about Doctor Masterson, given the current situation is, is the choice of Doctor Masterson

01:21:56.290 - 01:22:13.600

as president of a viable choice. Is it possible is, and you, I think you're going to be asked whether you like it or not? My question too. Do you think it is possible for Doctor Masterson effectively to administrate this university? Given the situation that we are

01:22:13.609 - 01:22:38.040

faced with? Now, my feeling is that uh the effect of the decision rendered on uh question two by the electorate will be the effect to that question, whether given a decision now not be a situation before this whole settlement. But whether in a situation. Now, you

01:22:38.049 - 01:23:09.270

feel it's possible for that Doctor Masterson to be an effective before, uh, 11 comment I'd like to make on this one that, uh this bow came from the family to me in their meeting this afternoon and I reckon the war was there and in order to

01:23:09.279 - 01:23:29.290

uh preserve the parallelism and the uh unity with the faculty ballot, we will in effect, our doubts are already and, um, I regret that we could not, you know, hash it out to a full extent, but we are essentially committed in this, in this, in this,

01:23:29.359 - 01:23:53.020

in this uh the better, the fact, the fact committee made the final part we parallel by and all the Super Service uh I think you cover. Is there another question? Uh John. Well, I hope you'll forgive me. I was a little detained coming from home. But

01:23:53.029 - 01:24:14.479

do I understand this properly? I hope I do that the faculty has has that has to vote on this measure, Dean Gordon and jointly have asked both the faculty, excuse me to on this is fine. And who worded the proposition? Uh which one? Yeah. OK. The

01:24:14.490 - 01:24:37.919

committee this evening, a strong effort of the will go the faculty members of that committee and our representative war and fine. Thank you very much. Which question should we ask ourselves whether he would be an effective administrator? Before all this started just looking at him as

01:24:37.930 - 01:25:02.589

an individual or under depressing circumstances, which one that you came out, uh, cannot judge the situation and judge this ball in the morning on, uh, anything but the facts that have come out over this weekend, you have to include those wins. The situation created is real.

01:25:02.660 - 01:25:17.520

You can vote to be interpreted. You're engaged in an act which you're pretty, you're pretty sure how your vote is going to be interpreted. And I, my feeling is you have to vote to the way the vote is gonna be interpreted. That's my own feeling of

01:25:17.560 - 01:25:37.750

it. And I would be very sorry. But the opinion I'm spreading as, as a chair, that is my opinion, the quotes I made the uh in burning that I made, I try to be as active and fair and what has been given to me? Uh Go

01:25:37.759 - 01:25:59.549

ahead, John II. I don't know. I have a kind of a buzzing in the back of my mind. Um Could you read the second proposition again? Ok. I'll read both of them again. I approve. I disapprove the procedure using selection I approved. I disapproved the choice

01:25:59.560 - 01:26:23.990

made the more 50. Ok. If you will, excuse me? Just a second, I'd like to clear up just a little bit of what's happening. II, I sense here everybody sort of understands what's going on. We've got two questions we're gonna vote on. Do we approve or

01:26:24.000 - 01:26:45.459

do we disapprove of the procedure used by the board in selecting Doctor Ma uh Masterson as president of the university. And do we think that the choice made of, can we accept now tomorrow between eight and three o'clock in the afternoon? That choice? Can we accept

01:26:45.470 - 01:27:06.000

it? Ask yourself that the, then ask yourself this question. These are two questions but they are connected. If you will, if you will, if you will pay attention and look at this statement that the college presidents and officers of the Student Association and those people have

01:27:06.009 - 01:27:24.040

met with Dr Mason said here is what they did say. They said that Dr Mason refused any further meetings. The student group only interpreted that action as a refusal to consider the crucial issue of due process. Item one in view of his refusal to consider the

01:27:24.049 - 01:27:47.069

issue of due process and his consistent rejection of possible alternatives and his view of the overwhelming faculty rejection, this student group has concluded that Doctor Masterson is unacceptable as president of Rice University 0.2. So these things are connected. I, I think people feel this. Thank you.

01:27:47.089 - 01:28:09.770

Question. Good. OK. All right, like me out before, uh I never knew what the doctor and he could have been less credit about any in any conflict at all. And uh I thought that was the difference. But uh and then happened here this the way he

01:28:09.930 - 01:28:34.879

hand the situation came to him, it doesn't look like he is really part of the university, doesn't look like he has. I think uh, is, uh, in, are maybe no, but I didn't know anything about it before, but now that he, you have and started off.

01:28:42.879 - 01:29:25.600

Yeah. Can you come forward, please? Downstairs? I got you out the words on the spot. But, well, just, uh, again to reflect that, you know, after having you in the back of it, more sure that 100% uh, and at least, I think

01:29:25.609 - 01:29:41.419

more than, more than knowing exactly where everyone stands to this point, which would be ridiculous to say, I know that um they're as interested as we are in trying to make, you know, this point and this whole thing as much an educational experience as possible. And

01:29:41.430 - 01:30:06.390

also, I think that's, you know, the most people can really ask about uh any questions. Um This is a rather strong point and I would appreciate you bringing them saying we are with the family as much as they are with us. Yeah. Well, I think at

01:30:06.399 - 01:30:25.399

this point, the one that we just discussed here more, there's some ambiguity about the statement in the second half of the bowel. Did that come up before we had some of the structures here of uh whether or not you approve the choice of before any of

01:30:25.410 - 01:30:43.529

the are any of the family members here for that? Uh We, we very basically, you know, you understand what, what kind of decision you're trying to make that there. Is that the question, the problem is that the question, question two asks what you thought of the

01:30:43.540 - 01:30:58.859

choice? Uh And I, and I, I just spoke to that just a moment ago. But, uh, the point that struck me was that the way that the way the results of the vote on that are going to be judged in terms of given the current situation

01:30:59.609 - 01:31:17.620

is, is Doctor Masterson going, going to be capable of being an effective president? And that's the way the vote is gonna be interpreted, but that's not quite what the question asked. Now, at that point, you in the other colleges, sometimes you read it. It's a bit,

01:31:17.629 - 01:31:47.790

it's a bit, is it in fact impossible to get that balance by three simply given, given the current situation that I can approve the drug is, let's just take a, a short answer. You think that would be much more clear and more? But, um, yeah, all

01:31:48.399 - 01:32:25.620

places I fell. Come on. I thought I, no one recently on. Yeah, it, it would are there of the, I think the wording of the relic as it stands now is preferable for the faculty to say that we do not approve on the basis of what

01:32:25.629 - 01:32:50.720

we knew what we felt we knew about the individual. But before, OK, I think that would be open to your heart. Um, it's, it's really the present situation where we're kind of dealing with it and that I, I would hate to see that, that anyone on

01:32:50.729 - 01:33:08.990

the board or, or Doctor Mason himself would say, well, uh you know, as he, as he very nearly said to us, um, well, you know, things have changed and, and uh this is a different office that was my, my position in humanities and in addition to

01:33:09.000 - 01:33:29.319

which there are many faculty members here now, um who, who will need to vote and who cannot vote from personal experience we talk about except in the last few days, together with the knowledge we have from what from we gain from people who knew it before.

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It does make it, make it clear that at least from my point of view that, that, that what I would be really voting on is if given the situation as it now exists, whether it is conceivable for this man to administer this university. And the answer

01:33:47.330 - 01:34:03.779

to that is, is much clearer, it seems to me and, and what it, what it, what would, what would make itself would, would, would, would be clear to a larger number of faculty as well as he uh in, in wording. And we take into consideration the,

01:34:03.790 - 01:34:18.649

the developments that in fact have forever now taken place in the last few days. And, and I, I think it really is, if, if, if the ballot can be rewarded, it seems to me this is uh it's really preferable, although I know that there will be

01:34:18.660 - 01:34:45.680

a large number of faculty members who will vote uh in the way that they will because of what matter is and apparently, I mean, was and obviously it still is uh now back to your heart and document. Oh, yeah, I think we are getting on very

01:34:45.689 - 01:35:03.140

dangerous ground. One of the things we are trying to do is not to have a character defination. And I'm very tired to make those statements. I am very sorry to make those. Uh we of many of us here have admired Doctor Masterson as a man and

01:35:03.149 - 01:35:17.020

our admiration and friend of Doctor Matson as a man has nothing to do with whether you vote or he did as president. And I think his action here last week is not enough for us to judge him as a man. He was not here on a

01:35:17.029 - 01:35:35.390

giraffe. We don't know what his arrangement was that we don't know anything about the ranges he had. We don't know what uh uh his reaction was and I'm the last one that would rarely say that he does not have license to direct at heart. I would

01:35:35.399 - 01:35:56.049

just caution you that not in this kind of situation. Should we let our emotions run away and across character assassination? We can get a lot of trouble. Doctor Masterson is a nationally known historian of excellent reputation. We're not here to judge the individual man. We're here

01:35:56.060 - 01:36:21.500

to judge him on the present situation. Is he the one that should be the next president of the university with the entire situation, our department politician on the two situations. So let's please keep that in mind, right? OK. That we are the only present in my

01:36:21.580 - 01:36:56.299

life that night. Consider this whatever you may think is possible to separate. What man? No, we think we keep on 11. Is that any ballot to continue to do it? The only thing a voter can do beside what that question means. You have to ballot market

01:36:56.419 - 01:37:17.129

party. Uh The other point I'd like to make involving American. Uh I do not know doctor, I came here after the, like, I'm in the same boat. Both. I do know people on this campus in my respect. You know, Doctor Mason and you have, why did

01:37:17.140 - 01:37:41.950

you different opinions about it? Yeah. If you Governing point, sign the cast of that be you in the future, are you just not only in having the right kind of rare and also make sure that however, this decision comes out, it doesn't really last 10 to

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the, then there's gonna fight within the family, whatever. Let let, that's, that's all I have. I never want to do this. Um Did I say one thing I, it is, I, I would like to apologize, especially for the last statement that I made, which I think

01:38:11.390 - 01:38:25.100

was in proper and I won't say that when I go to sleep. I had no thing of saying that I was trying to say, I seems to me that the rorting of the ballot would enable those of us who, who have to base our knowledge, our

01:38:25.180 - 01:38:42.250

entire judgment on the situation that now that the rewarding of the ballot would make it easier for us to do that. And I am not in a position to, and, and we would like to retract any statement. All things I made that personally practice are in

01:38:42.259 - 01:38:59.890

any way fact of uh ma who I do not know. I accept that and, and as resolved the last few days, I think it is a case that, that, that the present my last in our proper. And, and uh I, and I am in fact statement

01:39:00.370 - 01:39:15.169

of uh sorry that I made, it seems to me that it really is uh uh a matter of voting now on the situation has to be fixed in light of what we have been able to learn in the last few days. And in light of what

01:39:15.180 - 01:39:46.129

it means that the university in the year in, in, in really not in years and years to come very good. I can't bother you because you had a, as regards to the value um at all costs, I would urge that faculty, graduate and undergraduate institution be

01:39:46.160 - 01:40:09.939

uniform and not the black college now. No, as soon as those votes, they'll vote on the same way if I, I take the uh unity, unity, I, I'm Fali about that word. It keeps screwing me. Up if, if we don't, they're gonna be just as close

01:40:09.950 - 01:40:26.049

as we can get. Uh John. Well, iii I, I'm afraid the buzzing kind of settled down in one space and I'm, I'm kind of worried about something, you know, when I vote on something, which is, I suppose the man which we are trying to impress is

01:40:26.060 - 01:40:43.779

Doctor Masterson. I suppose that we are trying to impress him with, with, with the situation on him. And let us, let us try and figure out what this man, Doctor Masterson is going to think about the second proposition and I feel offhand that it, it is

01:40:43.790 - 01:40:54.799

uh he is going to look at it. Not exactly in the same manner in which we are voting on it, or at least in which the discussion which we are having currently would, uh we would hope to have a vote on it. All right, let us

01:40:54.810 - 01:41:17.169

suppose that even we are all right, we are forced into a value judgment. We are forced to make a value judgment regardless of the wording of the ballot. We are forced to make a value judgment on the character of the man and whether or not, uh

01:41:17.180 - 01:41:31.680

this is exactly the way we would like it to sound. This is how the man is going to look at it right there. All right, let us suppose that we vote against him, the man who is not exactly, well, the actions of the past few days

01:41:31.689 - 01:41:43.640

would, would lead me to believe that are we when we vote against the man, if we vote against the man, he will say these people don't know me. I haven't been here long enough for them to know me. They can't know me. So they must be

01:41:43.649 - 01:42:09.165

silly little people trying to go on something about which they know nothing. I'm talking about me. I never met him. Are the faculty and students, John, we're not the students, we're not the faculty. We're we are trying to impress the word. And Doctor Masterson, we have

01:42:09.225 - 01:42:26.089

spent, well, I think we spent time talking to Doctor Masterson. I think we better use the point. In fact, we're going to take up the long uh John. Would you play the Lakers before? OK, then then, but make it short, John, we've been doing late and

01:42:26.100 - 01:42:46.390

we have a lot of figure. Do you want me to read it before? I hope that you will believe that what I say is the thing I feel let us consider however, that when we vote, yes, Doctor Masterson will probably interpret this to me. Well, the

01:42:46.580 - 01:43:05.620

students want me after all. I it bothers me when I were to put my, when I had to put my vote down there tomorrow. I, I think, well, either way I vote, it will probably be interpreted wrong, right? If you're gonna say something get recognized, otherwise

01:43:05.629 - 01:43:21.470

shut up. And an extension is a lack of concern, which is even worse than either of the fridge. All right. I think you are really going up the back alley, uh, that, uh, you have for, uh, well, I think we have a really serious problem. We

01:43:21.479 - 01:43:38.109

have a meeting concern or concern at the moment is, uh, making, our decision is clear. The board of Governor, these are people who are not on the same level that we are, they're, they're, they're not communicating. We have a problem here. We need whatever we say

01:43:38.120 - 01:43:49.029

on the ground. We need to get some people together to decide something to say and have it defined. So that we can say here are the results, the board go, here are the results. Here is what they mean. Here are what, what they need. We need

01:43:49.040 - 01:44:02.890

to make it absolutely clear the board, what uh our actions mean what our votes mean. So that, so that uh there will be no attitude about that because the speed is it really uh I mean, the purpose of the you follow me, why not the link

01:44:02.899 - 01:44:24.859

in no, in no uncertain terms of the fact that I uh I have one boy in white shirt and see on the lack of a very important. Now being asked to believe that a certain amount of evidence that both, so they take a very unreasonable stand,

01:44:24.870 - 01:44:57.870

a very important. Now, I think more than any other judgment about that character that we try to understand the way and some of, and that five hour last night and for you hear that, that? Oh, ok. I have one more food for the next week. Ok.

01:44:58.100 - 01:45:12.950

I think the next class, uh iii I want to try to get the people on the floor have that heavy hands up. I want, I wanna clear the floor and I'll proceed to the stabbing meeting because it, that accept for they want, I'm married and it's

01:45:12.959 - 01:45:29.540

only fair. Yes, I believe I still have the floor. John, I believe your relations to the floor and I interpreted your power that the relation to the floor is not healed and you're not healed. Uh It's not clear on the ballot. He did say it could

01:45:29.549 - 01:46:06.950

write in any of you may have may have raised a what might be a minor point but hanging around the fa for the last 54 hours, it was here to talk about uh primarily but the Doctor Mason deal with me. That's the initial uh primary concern

01:46:06.959 - 01:46:22.950

is doctor Masterson will receive a well interpreted report of the vote. Uh just one line as I still have the job. I have not given you the floor back. If you force me, I will eject you from the meeting. As in my right chairman. This floor,

01:46:24.220 - 01:46:56.450

you resemble the floor. I have recognized the professor and we talked about different si don't think, I really think that I really don't think. But the important our kids were just that they exist. We just to say, well, the fact that, uh, I, I think this

01:46:56.459 - 01:47:14.000

will make this job harder than the one that you are. Doctor J. The answer that war here, I'm putting left here, what Telephone Enhancing College was putting out the balance. And, uh, I think, I think my interpretation is he's gonna change it to what doctor, what

01:47:14.009 - 01:47:33.660

Doctor Miter has. As we, the second, the second thing is the choice made by the Board of Governors given the current situation here and that he will call me Gordon. See Warren is, is acutely aware that the faculty is still using the decision and he is

01:47:33.669 - 01:47:55.930

acutely aware of how it supposed to be him. So he, he said he will we be going up and I'm convinced that were saying to do the same because you might say I'm aware of the risk for five years. I would like to clarify a point

01:47:55.939 - 01:48:10.790

of procedure which I just did. John uh will the plural please in either in the form of a yay or nay when I call for him, either back up my decision if I put me down, uh I call for a Yvo, if they favor what I

01:48:10.870 - 01:48:33.580

did a na vote. If I did not, I'll do the Y first. No, no attention to. Yeah. Um I apologize on the matter in which I read my statements to you, but the committee as a whole. Has backed me as their chairman and fellow college members

01:48:33.680 - 01:48:48.029

of bureau and I will now go to my work. Uh Yes John, I'm not a if I may preferences, I am not a I'm not ac cause I think I, I think I say something which is important to me. I think that your, your procedures are

01:48:48.040 - 01:49:04.140

proper. I think that my thoughts are worth hearing. Yeah. Yeah. What is your point? You have no business voting on this man. We don't know him. You can't vote on it. John, I declared him improper if I have to go for a yay or nay vote

01:49:04.149 - 01:49:19.660

again, I will take the risk. Now if you're going to say something about the point of order, which you did call me on, let's say if you're going to Elucidate and give us an oral or a speech, give me you're out of time. Let me just

01:49:19.919 - 01:49:40.359

this whole thing, Doctor Baker, do you have a point which will help us in this matter? I I really wanna get off this point out. Is that all right? And if you want uh graduate students of the campus are going to have a meeting tomorrow morning

01:49:40.370 - 01:50:02.060

at with this, I'm sorry. Uh John, I asked you to relinquish the floor or I will have to rescind my giving the floor to you. And this man if you go on uh you may not proceed with the statement I made before I'm asking you, John

01:50:02.069 - 01:50:28.479

please, Larry. I have infinite respect for you. Please give you more right that I can until I say, well, I will, I will I continue with the four, I'll give you one. It's 11 o'clock. All right. 50 seconds. People. You have never met the man. You

01:50:28.490 - 01:50:41.879

don't know the man you've got three days of, I haven't either. That's the point. I, nobody knows this man. Nobody can possibly vote on a character if we were to sit here and vote on the man's character, which is how it will be interpreted, no matter

01:50:41.890 - 01:51:00.850

how it's worded, a value judgment. Then I suggest that the vote or ballot will be looked on as a, as, as something by a deliberate group of beautiful eart's statement. And I now am going to proceed with the meeting on Saturday and I don't care who

01:51:01.080 - 01:51:24.459

says anything, ok? You know, yes, that this is, this is a good point. I left. I feel that those those who do not feel a convert abstain, put a blank ballot in the box. If you wish to talk to me concerning this, the procedure, I've used

01:51:24.470 - 01:51:42.319

not anything. I will talk to you all night long, but afterwards, uh if you wish, you may write abstain. So this is your privilege. You are entitled to write anything on the ball other than your name. OK, let's go to Saturday. Ok. I'm opening the floor.

01:51:42.669 - 01:52:07.259

I will make a couple of preliminary statements about study and I'll open the floor to uh question about what went on in this period. Um The meeting opened with scaring essentially, um telling Doctor Masterson and reiterating the position we have discussed. Uh the fact that de

01:52:07.479 - 01:52:27.290

how much I say, I hate university. I've got a deep, deep perspective place and I've got a love for you and he act in ways for Dr Mason. And he uh said he had said Doctor Masterson that he felt that Masterson has an arm man as

01:52:27.299 - 01:52:44.620

an, a student. And as someone who has appeared in the past to have a deep respect for the university that uh we felt that he knew, meaning that we felt that Doctor Master. We think that Doctor Max has a respect for the university and I love

01:52:44.629 - 01:53:02.540

the university as we do. I, I think I speak for the majority of the people present despite how much you pay for and what it does to you. You've got to respect the academic freedom we have here, the ability we have to call professors by their

01:53:02.549 - 01:53:18.270

first name and go slap them in the back or kick them in the tail. I mean, if you get a lot of people around there and it's a, it's a lot different. It's a text number 3041 in the class of 5000. Uh It's, it's, it's a

01:53:18.279 - 01:53:34.660

little different. We've got something I called my, I talked to my brother today who's a history teacher. I mean, at that point, but he's an outsider and he says, you've got to find a university there. Don't lose it, don't do anything to mess it up. And

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that's what we're trying to do. We don't want to lose it. We wanna keep it. We try to convey this in the open minutes, Dr Mason that we want to stay in the university. That is our goal. I have made a statement and hope I make

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it, I'll eat co I'll walk backwards, I'll walk on my hands. Anything to find a solution to this. The honorable solution, the dishonorable solution. The one that the board can look shiny and rosy and the one that I get all those down, I don't care, but

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I don't want the university to be up. I have graduated, take it all up as it is. Um So that's, that was the opening feeling at the beginning of me. And from here, I will entertain questions from the floor. OK? Um I myself roast him with

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the question of why he has not, why he did not talk to the faculty. If we felt maybe I believe it's rather strange that a man who is so deemed the power of the Lord to the open. We come to a lower bunch of students and

01:54:54.060 - 01:55:11.910

spend most of the day talking to him. I got no effective answer that I could understand what he said. I mean, I did not get an answer which I could interpret to you and give you anything that you can comprehend. I mean, I'm trying to say,

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I, I didn't understand what he said that. Uh Yes. Well, this morning our not welcome what it was through the process put on mark and I'd like to know what uh I know the Aso the first turn we had about 1215. I'm not sure the exact

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time there was one. ma yes, this, this I know, OK, I will, I will, this will cut the tail of our meeting last night, part of our meeting this morning. And we'll go back to the other point. Doctor Masterson and very negative terms and nothing which

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you can legalistically. But it what they aim down to agree to trying to locate the back student. May setting up a meeting for this morning appearing at the meeting in person discussing not his qualifications, but his aims and roles of being. Uh we agree to this

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as well. We got into a meeting kind of affair. That, that, that was, that was something we, we accomplished something there uh At approximately 1030 this morning, Juan scaring got up all the way behind and he was bopping off the phone and Doctor Masterson has said

01:56:37.089 - 01:56:58.479

that he feels that uh there can be nothing for the game and any more meetings, we wouldn't do the back that time and will return possibly later in the spring from this, uh, we hastily call them in and sadly, it was time that the student body

01:56:58.680 - 01:57:20.950

as a group knew exactly what had up occurred in the last 24 hours. We felt at this time that the, uh, allegiance on our lead respect the other department and Doctor Mason of Sitting LA the knowledge that we had and, and this, which I personally feel

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it was a reach of faith. My, this is my personal opinion and not that I feel that Doctor Mason, no, did not act in all honesty. The best of this matter, I myself got from me. I was present all meetings with Doctor Masterson and if you

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want 1245 last night, that he would be all on his paper, try to appear with me. I, I feel that we have been sly, you prepare and I feel my intelligence has been somewhat in. So I'm not, I don't care whether it is or not. That's

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the side of the point. I feel that I've been slight and by the drive that, oh, yes. Uh was it ever made clear in uh some uh the possibility uh I uh 12 hours? So um at this time, if we told there has been no plans

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formulated back of the back of the drive. So we wanna say that's some of them which we are not considering at the present time, there are too many roads open, there are too many ways to accomplish our purpose at the present to even consider this. We

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have, we have, we have too many good valable, responsible ways to react and we're gonna use everyone. It may take a couple of days for you to follow up like you can't say we on track, put that pressure on. I'm just gonna be this very brief,

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ok? I know it's gonna be popular. Hopefully John, I'm gonna address myself to you directly for about 10 seconds. Uh I I respect your opinion and your intellect and I'm going to tell you that this vote is not a vote on the man that is not

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the issue at all. We are not considering the man and the man. I will be glad to explain to you later exactly what it is. Now, secondly, I'd like you to find the issue after five hours, Bush Larry and I were in a meeting. I think

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the issue is this and this is the way every man at that meeting. We and that's the statement that was published all over this man refused to consider the due process procedural principle and so resoundingly endorsed in the gymnasium, we all felt betrayed and he consistently

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refused to consider that. She said this then is a clear indication that this attitude of ignoring our trust in principle cannot be acceptable. And that therefore due to his refusal to consider the due process, not for him as a man, but due to this refusal and

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and I, I can't convey you what I feel some of you were here at once when I, when I tried to, I made a mistake. But I want to tell you, I still feel as deeply as I felt then and I still do. But his refusal

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to to consider the due process makes him in our estimation. After five hours of grueling dialogue with him come to the conclusion that he is unacceptable, that the students cannot accept him as president of the university and still be proved to their hearts and souls. My

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last point is I feel very strongly about this. I'm gonna be up all night. I will be in my room at 225. I was there for five hours. If you have any questions at all about this issue, please come and see me. Please come and see

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me. Don't make a mistake. Um Tell very well a whole lot about the five grueling hours. We had an hour and 15 minutes here. You've got a number of points to discuss. It seems to me and John has told what happened on five long hours here.

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OK? You want five hours, you got a seven page report. If you wanna go up to the room, I'll, I'll show it to you. I'll anybody but it's too much to consider here. How much one last night in the meeting did not ma seem to acknowledge

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his knowledge of the existence, opposition from the faculty cancer treatment is being aware of it or not. I think I got quote just a second. Ok. Ok. Uh In answer to Tally's question about not said anything about the five grueling hours, I will now open the

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floor again the discussion. He stated that he's going to tell about those hours and everything, but he's doing it in the form of specific questions from the floor about what went on. And I think he's doing this at the same time and find out what matters

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to the individual on the floor you consider important. OK. Um I came and he made a, a statement about this. I cannot find the direct quote. He uh he uh to my best recollection, this, this has to do uh any uh least a you to the

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body. I believe he kind of saw the same horse and uh saying that uh to my estimation, there has not been a uh strong uh demonstration that I am not. I wanted it. It's, you know, so he, he, he, he was using, yeah, the, the, the

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cold and the post, you know, are pretty a this question was uh he uh he said, you know, this is talking to the students and all like this and he, and, and he, he kept reiterating about, you know, the faculty question that uh um I'm trying

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to figure out the words for it. I have not quite the gift for words, which my predecessor gift you, I would say so if you the gift. Yeah, thank you. Um dang it all a good question. OK. OK. The regulation here. OK. Now I'm back. He

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uh hold on. I don't know the answer. I can't give that one because it doesn't explain the question. I think this probably to the thing uh his, his recognition of the opposition to is the, is the question, it is my opinion that this is my opinion.

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So from the general atmosphere which I witnessed that he did acknowledge a strong faculty uh reaction against him, I choose as a basis for this opinion. Be back to that. He did not to my knowledge. Give, give me a chance to contact hi members out of

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the back of the leg, his friends on the faculty. He has known friends on the faculty. He even talk to them. We did not did my knowledge, not the thing of yesterday, but to my knowledge, make an attempt too well to get the fact, get their

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idea. Uh Now this he have a point. You gotta get pressure on. I, no, you see, we're not being asked to judge. Question two is the crux of what's gonna happen tomorrow. And we're, we're not really being asked to judge on the basis of long acquaintance

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with the man. But if you go in some marvelous circumstances and good pregnancy, we're not even being asked to judge on the basis of the experience over the last several days, whether or not he would make, he himself would make a good president. We are being

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asked to judge on our conception and our understanding of the way this university works. You see, that's the issue between us and the board. Now, 11, you know, may call a the behavior of the board and the statements made by board members that their conception of

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the university, their understanding of the way the university works. Maybe it does misguide question two has this has really nothing to do with Doctor Masterson per sep form. Question two has to do with the state of this university now. And whether this university now and accept

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Doctor Masterson you and and each of us is as well informed as any of us on the state of the university. And that's the issue of war and that is the issue that question two addresses. That's it. Oh I knock over the I would like to

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ask in what sense you used the word, acknowledge the distinction among the faculty. And this is one of your opinion. Did you mean that you think this and what you said or did you actually admit to this distinction? Oh OK. Mhm Admitted no strong where he

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said that he realized that he had strong faculty opposition that he had on his track faculty. He uh mentioned some specifics which I feel for the reason of not involving before I will not mention. And I was afraid that if you want to know, come first.

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But uh I don't wanna mention now there were specific mention as he involved with people. He uh said I realized I had a otherwise I would have to kill. But he reiterated many times that he felt the trouble caused by his becoming the best in a

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rich university was not near the magnitude of the trouble caused. If he were to resign, I hurt and just, I believe I will be back and forth about all and quick. And you said you were there for five hours and then at the same time, why

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don't you do your own words? So you tell us what you for a long time. OK. I'll, I'll try to do AAA survey of this and then live with you got time and say, um the only state he was concerned now about the university. Uh Masterson

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want to say he uh had an understanding that perhaps we wished to have him resigned from the university uh and give the board a chance to choose in a correct manner due to jump or another. Um uh Barry Kaplan, he's married to Barry K uh Masterson

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about the possibility of releasing him, releasing the board's obligation to him. Jim Bo said, uh uh reiterated the loss of faith which had felt with the board Mary then that then uh stated uh that on the campus, the uh feelings about the situation had crossed all

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our political ties, you know, sds and lots that are going on and on. Ok. Oh, this Doctor Masterson may have concerted a statement to me point. He uh says he has felt has that he has a acted in good faith with the board. This point was

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start out at least once every 20 minutes in about hours. Um Here are a couple of points. First point of he um feels that, you know, he has, I mean, this is something we have to accept. The man has made a definite commitment. And in making

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this commitment to the university, he has jeopardized his value with it. We have to make this psyche and except in the pregnancy of R university, he has in effect verbally not the actual fact but resigned from the presidency of the University of Chattanooga. This is the

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point which in front of me, not long away, he, he feels and this one said, you feel that if he resigned, he did not come back later, he uh kind of mellowed the statement to the effect that he could go back if you wanted to. But,

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and then you change his mind again and went back to the first one. It was, it was really depending on the question I asked him about because I, I just did. I'm afraid I, I asked my question, I asked him about uh resigned, resigning. He said

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I come down. Um and then I asked him about meeting with the committee or who could ask for all that meeting with the committee, uh discussing not his qualification. But the politics of very many said the committee was strongly against me and showed me that they

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felt that I would not make a good presence. Then I would consider resigning. You know, you need to be, you know, it didn't quite die because I mean, on the one hand, if you felt like you, you go back, you could go back on the other

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hand and no commission. If you go back, he, uh, weakened his argument in my opinion by changing, you know, so many times in this period. If, if, if someone in the audience feels that I am making any slander or any breach, I would very much be

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like told her because I don't want to slang. You, man, I, I want to keep this as open minded as is possible for me. I believe you all of my treatment in the safe and all everything I say is gonna be cover. But I think it

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definitely, you have to realize all this. Yes, I do think, uh a little bit of, of, uh, of your self. Sorry, I can hear a question, not a question. I was just saying that I do think a little bit of, uh, the thing is coming into,

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uh, breathing out of what went on and I would like to continue to now, uh, this, this, this, I took this as long as I could and I got the answer to what was going on just taking most, uh, this, this, this is about the 1st

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30 minutes I get up off the top of my head. Uh, the second part of this, this other thing was the more feels they've done what they were entitled to and legally they have according the laws and the matter is closed. Um, he feels that at

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this time now this was at 230 yesterday, he had made them, he felt he felt that the uh he was unsure of the action of the board is that resigned. Um You may come of the, the wholehearted commitment of the war, the decision. Now I have,

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I have to make the statement here that it was my opinion and uh I will say he uh interpreted the board pain for, I mean, he and Doc and Mr Estes and the Mr De Magne and Mr S interjected uh statements from the comment and make

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help yourself qualified and that they have no knowledge about um the only source of knowledge of the action of the board and interpretation thereof was strong document and uh and an amateur to some extent, but doctor Doctor Mason was in more reaction. Yeah. Oh, this uh

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uh obviously one thing um he uh made a statement, well, he might mistake what you get from it, you get from it. He imagines that the Lord not even close the school with trouble with him. Now, that is for 140 you can take that. Um, he,

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uh, failed your English. Uh, that was not a, a, that quote that occur, uh, the back. Ok. Yeah, by Brian Smith show. Uh, that is a paraphrase. I scared at this time. I don't know what goes on. Ok. Uh, the, uh, here one has to comment

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on the effect of the regulation. He feels that the university would never be the same again and believes that the change would be very great. Well, this is probably the main thing all along that the university will have been unchangeable changed. I mean, there's no way

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we can go back to 0.0. What's the issue? The issue is really rapidly. It's, it's, it's so complicated. Um Here is the, he made a statement that he wouldn't mind going home and saying I was took in and eating crow if he felt that I feel

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that there was so much overwhelming oh, resentment as we come back a word as o running a dissension against him. Mhm. Uh This is a direct quote of the ideal solution of Doctor Masterson. I cannot assume presidency unless you meet the board discuss this thing with

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the committee. He made this statement for the afternoon, I cannot assume presidency unless you the board discuss this thing with the committee. The committee, this is the assumed faculty committee on president. Uh He made a funny thing after that, that he feels that the more we

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get somebody tougher than me if he were I leave, I definitely, definitely need someone less responsive to student opinion. But all right. I mean, I'm not with any questions at this time in order to get the attention, what things I have. Ok. For just one moment,

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you got it. Um, I have a question from the door. Um, it, it, I asked me have any faculty members threatened to resign if the war does not reconsider his decision, I do not know and cannot make any definite statements of the commitment of any of

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the faculty. If so, how many, like I said, I, and he further added that if any of the faculty here could or would not make a statement concerning this question that they, they asked if they would, I will put a writer on this and that I

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will not ask anyone to do this if you want to. You may do so, but I do not want to put anyone in an office. Of course, I was kind of a personal question. I was wondering if I heard, yeah, it is, I mean, this is,

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this is a general statement, but you've got to remember that these are pay them and they are, I got a quote, I think you next time they are putting their livelihood on the line and me to understand which they have. And this is something that we,

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as students have got to respect if we can go drop it off to Texas and we can go drop it off and you know, where, for one year, because some of these vacuum members can't just go drop them off. I mean, we're late in an academic

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year, get hired for next year. Some of them may have to ride out the storm and then go somewhere else the year after or some of them may get lo I mean, there, there's a possibility you got, you, you can't be close minded to it. You

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gotta admit this. Some people know why, hey, responsible members of this community have got to, got to admit and think about this just 11 more point where you can get that for. Um OK. Yeah. Oh OK. Uh I had a comment on your question. Yes, I

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don't. I am sure that as of this time, there are no factory numbers that are written in a letter of resignation and I know members of the faculty that have written down that they would resign. The doctor came here. The only thing that has been said

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that they would predict that if he came over the next four or five years, there would be a decimated, some of the problems, somewhat decimated. That's their death, right? That sort of time. OK. Part I will make this statement that I have knowledge of certain faculty

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members that I cannot really is they resigning is taking ways out which they are fighting this thing. And I have encountered this several times a day and several 100 of factors. And I honestly do think, I honestly do think that re resigning is not the solution

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that we've got to unite and stick to get back out. OK. One more point number here up for, oh, please this second up there, please. Um OK, the uh here at this point scanning is different into the uh dialogue, dialogue, whatever it was, he, he feels

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that we can explain our feelings to the board about this matter and obtain understanding if we're given a chance. We in this sense mean the faculty and the city for years, we are at the present time being the chance, you know, jumping. Uh OK. I'm going

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to call on this because from here on out that in my memory, I like to clear the floor of questions at this time. Uh root. And up here I had earlier, I would like to say that the view of in play and why. Um but I

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think it is not, I sorry. OK. Yeah. Clear. Mhm And, and that's the point well taken root. Uh II I just like it. I suggest that the fact that they had before um you know, I think they change the question being overwhelmed with that is that

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not simply a question of whether any member of faculty can be or faculty president, that's, that's part of the question, I guess I have talked to. OK, that, to anyone else here, I've heard no one that we have that this grow back on it. I think

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it's a growing family moment. We can go on. Um, important question. What, even the next week or two weeks, however long it takes are going to have people who now have offers from this university. They all approach by to cover. Oh, I answer that no others

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other than those who have their hands up now will uh answer the floor. I I can recognize three at the present time. Uh How is Dr Mason being informed, the public relations department, the university administration was keeping in touch with Doctor Masterson as is the S

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A association. We, everything we do is we don't want, we're our free a breakdown in communication from our end is going out. Doctor Meson has, you know, has long time friends on this campus who I'm, I'm sure see, OK, the, the factual way this question, uh

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it have diag and becomes inevitably, I think it might be worthwhile considering very gently at first, but uh perhaps hopefully thoroughly later on the possibility that we perhaps should uh give more confidence. I say if it becomes that we should perhaps for the best long range

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operations during the sometimes where not drink. Um I said that, yeah, I personally have not, not like to see the uh yes, I, I agree with you. Should have thought about it. But I feel as Warren said it can't happen here. I don't, I am, I

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don't want it to be because I don't, I don't think that rise, you wouldn't do that for it was like 15 years. But as I say, I'll, I'll put it this way anywhere. I have heard quotes from back in years, uh, from 5 to 15 years

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for the recovery of the university. Uh, last we lived as doctor time, we just said, but, uh, the changes would be tremendous. I believe that my thing, I, I'm sorry, you are on three. Yeah, I like to make you take into account. You might not have

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any other. I think at all. I do going to call a closed meeting of many of the hole. If anyone wants to sit down here and shoot the bow, I'll hang around as long as you want to. But I, I'm coming this, uh, all of our

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campus members, you should have come by the spirit. I will keep them out and I will stay here at the podium. I'm gonna call it that just a second and, uh, uh I'll be here but, uh, when I'll talk all you want, I'll explain it to

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you as much as I can as soon as I can. But I mean, we have spent quite a bit of time. Um, I'm really thankful for you being very Mary and I have spent a long time. Fighting for something that we really believe in. I don't

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know how to get it across to every one of you. I want to do it personally, to every one of you. This is something that we believe very deeply in. And I, I seen the sense here that this community, this community that went out there and

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marched right was Saturday. This community that went out there and voted is, is losing its unity, Is, is losing sight of what I hope. I'm, I'm wrong. I just seem to sense this but it seems to me that this has been carried on altogether too, is

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passionately this afternoon. I acted too passionately, but I want everyone here to look at himself and say, what in the hell does this mean to me? Can you as students who have taken a stand who have voted overwhelmingly in the college in an all student provocation

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in the gymnasium in petitions in student talks all day. Your student representatives have been tearing their hair apart trying to figure out what the hell to do have you? Are we, are we representing you? Do we feel we who who worked on this? Unanimously? Feel that

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Doctor Masterson's continued appointment as president of his university spell the end of what we believe in or that trust? OK. Have we lost the unity or does everybody believe that? Please answer me? I wanna know. OK, let me finish. Does someone dissent? Does someone think we're

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gonna get to vote tomorrow. This is an altogether truth. Let me tell you, let me tell you what's happening. Right. Right. Now, let me tell you what's happening. There's seven colleges and each one of them is looking at the second question, each one of them is

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looking at the second question as, as you have looked at it and it's, it's gonna turn out different. We may have a new ballot tomorrow is what I'm saying. I hope we still have the election and we will have the election tomorrow. I think we may

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have a new ball so that we're gonna try to reward it to make it absolutely clear and yet altogether fair what you're voting for and if you have any questions at all, hi be, if you please come to see, uh I wanna talk to the, uh

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um, this is my, this is my closing statement. I, I'm getting tired and I'm reaching an emotional point as you see, Bill, Bill has been up for four days straight two and two because he believes in something. I've been up a good bit too and I'm

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really at an emotion point and I think before I went acting as the chair is to go off the band, but I'm not the table with a sh I better close the official meeting and if you want them up there and keep the b in the

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arm support, please tell, um, you can acted in the name of the Eye College officially. I must say it's an excellent job of the need for information. We had just attended another meeting of the, uh president, how the college, the Food Association. It's just a meeting

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that took place between Dean Gordon and various. All right, go ahead stuff as well as most successful five hour meeting with Doctor Masterson that took place a couple of things that should be said. First of all, is that tomorrow, I will be home of the undergraduate.

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Yes, of the university. As far as their opinion of the election and the procedure in selection, they form of the poll will be I approve or disapprove the procedure used in selection. Another question I approve or disapprove the choice made by the board of trustees. The

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phone is being taken because the board of trustees just stated that she let your voice out of the will do something. But if they're not sure just exactly how strong student an opinion is, perhaps this is a small minority trying to tell them something we expect

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to find out just exactly if this is true or not. I think, you know, the answer here like this, um the results of the board meeting tomorrow evening and inform me of the board. I understand the group will then the savings we're gonna try very. So

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they're always good, any passion, but they still have chest pain. I hope that you all got a copy of the news release, uh, that name, uh, what sharing it pretty well. States what's going on. Uh, one other thing is kind of this meeting is the fact

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that for some reason or another newspapers in the state of Texas and I guess the, the count, yes, a very natural reporting things not quite as perceptive and the way they have the paper, the headlines were rice. Right. If you don't know it, you're in a

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right now point of hope is that each of us can correspond with various people. You know, just exactly what the papers are saying. If they have got this information that we were trying to provide them with a very detailed simple explanation of what is going on

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in Rash University, one without emotion, one without a place for her understand a detailed explanation of what is going on. So that that is one thing that you correspond to all your times some ratio of find out just exactly which places got to say about this

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news the same and we'll try to set them straight as we possibly can uh time. I think I we call different to explain the various things that happened. OK. Guess uh schedule well, informational need. But it's also, it also has the second part which

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uh you could call dialogue and this concerns the faculty associates. So I'd like to welcome all the faculty associates contain tonight and not uh any other members of the faculty who might be here, asked them to, uh, stay, uh, after the close of the information part

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of this meeting and, and just, uh, discuss the situation with the students. I, I've had plenty of students come up to me in the last few days and ask me, uh, well, can we have a meeting of the associates or something? I'd like to talk to

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a few of them. So I would appreciate it if you could uh stay around. Hello, it's tried Greg quite. Uh Greg is, is the uh one of the two student undergraduate representatives on the student faculty advisory, the selection of the president. Uh We were two of

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the students who were at these meetings yesterday and we're gonna try to describe to you what happened kind of a subjective thing. It's, it's a hard thing to describe uh negotiations. Uh Well, we'll just give it a try, met with Doctor Masterson at around 230. The

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S A president one scan uh Vice President Ron, uh all the college presidents, including myself and Anne Jones over there. Uh and the three members of the uh faculty students committee, uh George Forestall greatly and Eric Cat. Uh The first thing we did was was uh

02:38:25.089 - 02:38:45.480

try to tell Doctor Mason that we really felt that we had uh rises interests at heart. Uh That, that, that this wasn't some small segment of the students that it was, it was all of the students as was evidenced by the people who were there right

02:38:45.559 - 02:39:13.620

here now. OK. What do we do next? We, we uh well, we talked about, about the idea that, that uh this is a genuine movement on the parking too to try to convince uh Doctor Masterson that there was a widespread opposition to, to the process that

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was involved in, in his selection and also uh to try somewhat to uh convince him of the uh the faculty feeling on this matter. Yeah, I would say that we uh so he, he mentioned that there was a deep two, remember, I don't know what, how

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far we commit to a faculty, but I, yes, it does at that point, which uh took us to the next point, which was uh we may, when we do something about it, you know, what, what can we do about the situation? Oh OK. Uh So what

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we tried for evidence, we gain that uh that, that maybe we could talk him into offering instant resignation. It became very clear at the beginning that he wasn't going to do. So we started working at that point for some uh say sorry uh gesture on his

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part. Uh something uh well ease the situation. We just reconsider the the appointment uh give a period of, of time to uh to think about it. Um Thing that we, we hope for is that he would release a statement that, that uh he would uh like

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to reconsider the position, uh, because I don't think we can clearly didn't want to do this season. We say, ok, uh, we started, uh, talking about, uh, time and, uh, a time schedule, a schedule of events. All right, we hit upon an idea of giving him,

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he agreed to giving himself a Tuesday night to, uh, think the matter over, uh, the matter as to whether he would like to, to reconsider the appointment and that he would be willing to, to meet with the faculty students committee. Uh, and, well, you're just getting

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from that night until, until Tuesday night to think about it, uh, to talk it over with, with, uh, his family with, with people at Chattanooga, uh, who are very much involved in this and with the, also with the, uh, board. No, she decided that, uh, well,

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I think, uh, he wanted to consult before, before. Uh, he did anything, uh, of this matter because the board is, is obviously very much involved here. Uh, any, any statement or anything that he was that he wanted time to reconsider or, uh, time derive any decision

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would, would involve the board. So he asked that that he be allowed, uh, to contact the board members as many as he could say. So, uh, that was about six o'clock. Oh, and during all this time, he, his feelings on the why he, uh, he felt

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he couldn't resign the, the appointment that he had already, uh, resigned in Chattanooga family was very much involved here. Uh, and then he felt, I think he, he said that if he was the one did become president that, uh, he could, uh, do a pretty good

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job if they continue, I think that we are, you know, he would, he would have accepted if she, ok, notice that conveyed as in blood and study, uh, city paint it rather dark picture of what we have if we did design by. Well, he conveyed to

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us that the board was uh a, a very strong opinion that uh if he resigned, they would want appoint someone more oppressive or yeah. Well, there's some other way to, you know, shut it down. Well, what, what he said was that, that he realizes was known

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as sort of the author and he, he felt that before that's the topic of more, be more, you know. Um So anyway, we decided to adjourn giving him time to contact members of the board uh as to whether you can hold meetings with the student faculty.

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Uh We adjourned until 10 o'clock. Then he uh he told us to go to dinner and we told him, uh he had dinner with, with Mr, he told us later at 10 o'clock, we and now the center uh we, he had several phone calls to make.

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So uh uh the students met first. Uh he didn't come until maybe 1040 or something. He was calling several people. Uh he, when he did come in, but when he did come in, he, he, uh, said, all right, this is the part where I don't think,

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you know, this, we're not violating any confidence by saying how we felt when we all came. And it was, it was a strange thing because we all went out to dinner, um, thought about what we had done for the last, oh, with that, I came, we

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came back group and we were all in breed that uh we were very uh at brave misgivings about the man himself and about the way that he attached to us and the way we had talked to him. And, uh we really felt that at this point

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in our own minds, it had shifted somewhat from a procedural thing to being worried about whether he was personally qualified uh to be present. And this is, it's a very serious thing and you know, it, but it's the truth. So we value for what it's worth

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and we all agree to learn it. Uh uh All right, we came back, we didn't stop these, these meetings. There were very kind of deep strategy type thing. It's, it's uh first time I've ever been involved in nothing like that. Uh And we came back, I

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don't know, we just, we couldn't recall for one thing too much that had gone on in uh the previous meeting. We felt like it that we had just uh been given some sort of gesture that, that really didn't mean much that, that maybe, uh, he would

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come back, decide to receive a faculty student committee if the board approved. Well, anyway, uh, so we were, we were feeling kind of doubtful about the man himself at that point. And it's interesting because we all kind of walked in and felt that this way, each

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individually and we didn't, this wasn't arrived at by group discussion or anything. You don't want to hear about how you walk in. I have to do that. Well, I can't and I sat, I sat down so. Oh, ok. Right. Ok. Fine, fine. After this, uh, Doctor

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Masterson came in. What is that? Now, Bill? Is this, what's going on? Well, I think you should be an object as you can. It's not the same like you yourself though. So, you know that that's what happened to me was like, yeah, I can stand. Ok.

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Say, do you think from, from your more, uh, intimate meeting with him that you got any better impression than someone might have, who heard him speak out in front of the, uh, thing out there? And we had, well, well, I mean, he didn't come across very

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good out there. I mean, I mean, in other words, if you felt bad after talking with him in a, in a closer way, I mean, do you, did you feel worse than you did what we felt when we came back side and that we felt that

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we had kind of installed, you know, yeah, he did something that accomplish that. So doctor, so doctor Masterson returned, came in. Uh I got the return. What he had to say was that he had talked to the board and so we, and, but he had changed

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his position from going before our committee to discuss whether the not going to be president. And what he told us now is that uh he did not want to discuss under any circumstances his presidency or is being president and? Well, well, no, I don't wanna look

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up and make a decision if, if he, if he took the advice of his daughter of whether he was to be president, he wanted us to know that the board had given him the right to decide whether or not their opinions were biased saying that if

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he felt that their opinions were biased, pay attention to it. Well, we pointed out that uh this then, you know, he was being both the judge and the judge and this, it just doesn't work very well. And then, uh is that right now? So that much?

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He determined that that, well, then we asked for a request so that we could talk because we felt that this uh was a serious delusion of his previous opinion and was, well as far as we're concerned, practically not. So we met, we start to meet and,

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you know, we were feeling worse work here. So be before we got going very much, he re-entered and said that he had thought to be magnetic and, and that they had felt a change in our attitude that which, which I feel was, uh, perceptive on their

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part and that we were, that we were thinking more in terms of his personal qualifications and that, that we had gotten away from the procedural point. And, uh, he said that he was, he wasn't gonna discuss his ations with us and that he no longer thought

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there was any point in his meeting with the faculty students committee at all. At which point, he pointed out that uh if this change had taken place, it was only among three student members of this committee that we did not vote and that it was being

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unfair to the faculty members on that committee by uh taking this attitude at which point he said that he knew how the committee was gonna vote. That was so many votes, winning so many votes. The other way that he was thinking about whether the way we

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thought of him. And uh well, you think too much. Uh No, not really. Uh That's, that's about what happened. Uh He, he didn't want to be with the clinic but not then we decided that that uh no, that it would be very good to have you.

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And just instead of discussing his qualifications for president to uh well, he, he began to tell us what he would like to do for Rice uh Rice University. If he were president, uh what sort of things he would try to get accomplished. And we began to

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uh saying, well, maybe you ought to come in and tell the faculty members and the committee this. So we asked him if, if he wouldn't reconsider uh stay tomorrow, he set up a meeting with the faculty student committee uh and, uh, had hold this meeting. Uh,

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that's, uh, we, uh, we agreed upon this and then, uh, uh, he left, this is about 1245. Did he agree on this? Did he agree to come to this committee or did y'all just agree ahead? Well, well, I guess, uh, we, we agreed, you know, we

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agreed, uh, that a, a meeting of the faculty student committee would be held, uh, the next day, uh, in the afternoon probably. And that, uh, Ron Bozeman would work out the details. And then, uh, he went home and, and it was point as was pointed out

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this afternoon in our discussion that, uh, he evidently talked to his wife and he, he was in a great deal of strength. He was extremely tired when he spoke to us. We were all extremely tired. Uh, and that comes on the radio maybe like, well, I

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thought I did on that. That's what, uh, then, uh, I got a call this morning from one and he said that uh, Doctor Masterson had decided that, uh, this meeting with the committee would not, uh, produce any important results. And that, uh, he had decided to

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go back to chat, uh, Chattanooga, the one house this might break out of, uh, when I got there, one said simply that Doctor Masterson had called him and said that he was going back to the f the committee meeting with his son, was going back to

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Chattanooga and that he would probably return again in the spring. Uh At this point, we threw up through the, uh through, uh we drew up the letter, uh the uh press release that, uh that's released at 12 o'clock today. Uh In this release, the thing we

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tried to get across was that we felt that this relationship should serve as a transition as it starts our feeling that we felt the transition of the, the matter from more than just the due process uh to the man himself. At that point, I returned back

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to the college. I read the young and the pressure. Yeah, this morning. Yes. OK. That's all your questions. Then I came back to college, of course. Uh There was a meeting at, at two o'clock. I missed that because uh Doctor Sullivan, uh in the comment section,

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uh there was a faculty meeting this afternoon uh of the chairman and not to at the Department of War chairman, the chairman of the, the departments. Uh We did not know the results of this until the meeting at eight o'clock tonight with the college presidency, president,

02:55:58.219 - 02:56:24.049

vice president of the committee met, uh the idea of a poll was presented time. Uh We all thought it was a good idea. We discussed the procedures for getting the balance, uh everything distributed and we decided that in the colleges tomorrow, it will arrive 732 three

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o'clock and the, the RNC and Anderson home, we would have a cold. I wasn't there this afternoon. But yeah, I, I understood that they just agreed to have this poll. They would have a, a depart departmental meetings to uh discuss the matter and then would advise

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you on, on these departmental meetings. Yeah. Right. Like the other, well, no, not a thing. Listen, it took, I didn't want to say what I said tonight. I really didn't. And uh but it's the way we both kind of feel and we sat up there at

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930 discussing this whole thing I there and tell it like we saw it. Are we gonna just give them fair bags of what we decide to come down here and tell it like we saw there was some, some uh quotations that has been made from chil

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from members of the board. At which point he asked us to keep it in confidence. And, you know, there's that there was some question about, you know, how much in value, what he said about the board is supposed to be. And, you know, I, I think

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that, that at that point, we taking a direct quotation from a member of the board that he doesn't, you know, that you should, that we should be at, at a, uh, at the gentleman in front more of when we ask you head off stuff well, here

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and they, uh, appear to be much more flexible. But we told him, well, we can't go out and pass by a student unless you give us something. Uh kind of figure we can't just say it because, and then a quick day, two days now. So uh

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we would try to came down to give us some thing and when we get back, we find out that. Right. Well, I, I would, yeah, we, we have several 100 people who would like to uh speak to. Uh So I'm gonna ask if you hold your

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questions until the, until the end. Yeah, answer all the questions we possibly have. But if we can get everyone who wants to talk, let them have a chance to say things, then we can go on the question and we get them all. You better be in

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rush um will, by the way, several copies of a list of examinations which will not be given and others will be given tomorrow and they will be placed on the bulletin board uh quickly though. And you might worry and you go ahead and English 100 with

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M and MS and Baker sections, military science, 100 psychology too, history of art. And those will definitely be held eco 430 bo 460 will be voted on in class. Um I ask my neighbor to come up here and discuss that. Ok. Uh They, they inform me

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for, I saw him over to Koll Hour. So we have, they, they made some of them encouraging uh Kowl broadcast the Harvard and Yale report that rice alumni there has sent no protest in Ma Ma and select there will be to at 11 a.m. tomorrow lecture

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lounge to decide what the grad students can, can do. If taking part in the the activities of this week, the doctor Garside will give what Koml feels will be an important speech tomorrow morning at eight o'clock in Ham Hall, he will speak on the nature and

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the function of the university. The thresher desperately needs help. We're trying to put out a daily newsletter during a crisis and uh maybe you just feel so inclined report, do whatever please call extension 221 or 645. They also need eight by 11 or eight by 14

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inch menial paper. It is done. College will hold or we have a babysitting service available in case there is a student faculty meeting held tomorrow. Then a thing that seems to be a very importance, at least in getting a message across to Houston. And it's time

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I mentioned to South and United States, students are asked to monitor the news media and to report any faulty reporting or any reporting, which seems to be at odds with what you have been led to believe by the students and the faculty report. These students, the

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S A office do not report to the KWOL report to the S A office 320 to if possible take or quote anything that seems to be at odds with the information you've been given. Listen, especially the K Pr C another AM station since they seem to

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reach to most people in the Houston area and they'll see the episode on the ple graduate graduate students and they'll be closed into college all day from breakfast on until just before we have to get them. The results are in the S A office went from

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eight until three in the R MC. Um Also I understand this, the exact same form or back just so, you know, let's get these other things and I do wanna ask you questions. Yes, we need like tax. This is going to be as legitimate o as

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we can be, but we want no reason for the board of trustees to say this is not a legitimate o I've offered to allow the associates any time that they wish to see to present any of their for you at this time. Uh A couple of

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the things that they would like to speak. I'd also like to apologize to any of the faculty members who are here, uh who are not associates of the college if you just let me and your sudden be happy to hear anything, say for a couple of

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minutes or so anyway, and then we'll try to get his questions. Uh Doctor has said that he would like to make a few remarks. He should be a important to power going on. And these are my impressions uh it and formation of committee to assist the

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work of the election. But now the very important and the importance of it lay the fact that somehow nowadays the whole university structure is becoming more of a genius, realize that uh operation with one special need. Somehow the faculty, students, alumni situation had to be included

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one way. So I had a feeling that since the formation is committee, the morale, our back of the bad somehow went up considerably. Uh It means that well, we are at least trying to uh play fair with this, this difficulty or some of the participation in

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important decisions. This to me explains this, this rising sense of uh of responsibility and participation was responsible for a great view of well uh satisfaction of the world. So we felt that we are moving in the direction of a community in which everybody is doing something.

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And the very fact that the faculty has taken this test seriously, I went through very elaborate procedures of of electing officers and then trying to say a chance and everybody thought it was a wonderful thing. I think I got this at this. You disappoint is this

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uh uh uproar now. It is due to the fact that somehow this, this built up expectation has been disappointment and it has been supported by uh uh suddenly nobody can hear at the last moment that uh actually the promise that was made hasn't been fulfilled. And

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this is the reason why uh very hurt is this the fact that the students have been given a promise. Look, you will be participating in some new effects, you back to us at the future of right. And now I want to tell them this promise has

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been met. Vice Minister denied the right to speak out on this. Now, this doesn't mean of course that anybody had any illusions about the ultimate decisions to be made, nobody on the other committee. So I don't know, had any, any expectation of making the decision was

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clear from the start. So the decision would be made by the trustee as and this is provided by the structure of the university and nobody objected to this. Uh Nevertheless, the USA got extended. This was a tremendous boost for the higher the right. I think you

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back in a week, trouble was to a great extent seems to me and I think it was the sense that well, we are going to get in on these decisions. Now, the question is what to do uh about it. Well, I would explain by and say

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that once the trustees have committed themselves to head their opinion and their students and the faculty on this issue consider, I think they should not go back on the drugs. So even though uh things have been uh made official, uh and uh I started to the

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government, so nobody is going to tell them what to do or not to do. They are the ultimate decided going to decide it. But I think since they have asked for this opinion of the fact that they want to get it, the spirit of pushing anybody

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is the even though there are no, no uh operation from this uh on this problem, they called it, I think that has to of somehow express what the actual facts are. I think one of the survey things about news media and what we hear is that

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known, the Houston Post said one thing, the article said another thing and figures are reported in a way as to after all, there are 325,000. Therefore, the others presumably are in favor the same as the, the the 3000, only 1000 March, therefore 2000 for the nomination.

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Now these guests, they should and in my opinion, oh and the next, what would it mean that somehow it will be clear what the situation is now from then on. This, we can, they decided that each part of having heard the opinion and the fact of

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it, they still want to talk what a decision they make again. Everybody said what we will do about if there are some people who feel that under the circumstances, they are not able to go on to the situation to do something else in there. But at

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least it will be clear what the, what, what the actual facts are that we should try to be he on that as possible. After all, he's caught in, in a very difficult situation, whatever he's called patient. And I think because he said on both sides of

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the issue, but he's still in a very difficult position because he has accepted in this state in the state and uh probably is committed to the board of trustees in some ways. He has to say, well, it's not your business. Oh, yeah, he can have his

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own good. So I think decision rests with the board and we can make it easier for the board to decide by trying to provide them with as they are. And uh what will happen then is I think. But yeah, on his own. So, uh my but

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avoid as much as possible, any dramatic confrontations, riots market. Let's simply establish what the feelings are on the matter. And a few of the go from there saying that he would also like to uh talk ladies and gentlemen. Unfortunately, or unfortunately, I only returned an hour

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ago two days and I know that I'm a member of this foundation, their changes. I believe that your objective and you were listening. Now, my credentials is a moderate are followers. I have been the vice chapter president of the that he was and I had been

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a two year council member of the regional conference of the A at the me through this Texas first question, the same kind of experience. That's for the that the vote that was taken. I was the man who introduce the amendment a oration on motion. One was

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to send you the board four, the maro or a bad procedure. And the other one was to recommend. This was the last thanks, this entire business fee again investigated cocaine. This last sentence would be straight. There is reason to get it. I believe I I'm here

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that there is nothing at all to do with his men. You sneak it and I don't think the principal the doctor then I mentioned was that he had been invited to elect segment. Yeah, and maybe it was five minutes. There you go the most or about

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the situation there. But because now they've got the dead. However, the situation arises as human. It is at this point, the urine has a cold work for the going to be able to always monitor. The other thing I wanted to see. OK, this issue to become

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a university on it makes it here. I really, I know what I'm saying is not gonna make it very popular. I want you to think very carefully about this. I don't really, it has no in my life and I'm sure was over the contract. Accept the

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contract down. Do not think that we are at times to know they had to be there. And I have always been the under dog and here I really think that it was at this time, I'd like to ask, first of all, if there are any other

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faculty members present to have not had an opportunity or I have not asked to see if they like to say buffet. I really wouldn't have spoken at all. I think I've spoken enough these past few days. Uh Had I not found myself somewhat in disagreement with

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my good friend, Professor Khan. Uh while he was out of town, I was here watch on things, in fact, uh writing historical record of it. Now, I remember also that last fall, there were great expectations as both students and faculty worked hard on the project to

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look at presidential selection. And it was quite obvious at that time that the faculty students believed that the board had actually invited participation and consultation. I was not a member of this, of this committee, but I know that they worked hard and diligently, faculty and others

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to recommend names, look over these names, screen them carefully after considerable deliberation. Decided to send them a tentative list to the boy uh as a very possible growth, they requested meetings. These meetings were of course preferred when the meeting was finally held. They were told that

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Mr Masterson, his name is not on the list was selected as president and not that it's that a complete, I feel that this is a great injustice. And I know that there is strong sentiment both among students and faculty that an injustice has to be that

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before student in fight for one thing. And then I had done another. I think it's still possible to rectify breach of faith. Well.